View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

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  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I have answered repeatedly. You are under the assumption that all things should be fair and equal. With the case of men and women - they anatomically and physiologically are not equal. When you speak to fair and equal there can be no "fair" or equal. You have a false premise. Bottom line is that you are asking to have a man have control in what happens to a woman's body.
    Explain to us how the rights of anatomy (which end at birth, by the way) give someone a right to not just themselves, but also to OTHER people.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Explain to us how the rights of anatomy (which end at birth, by the way) give someone a right to not just themselves, but also to OTHER people.
    I have the right to control my body. A man cannot control what happens to my body. What is so difficult about that?

    If a man does not want to be a father and pay child support - he needs to get a vasectomy or wear a high quality condom properly each and every time. And of course know that if those methods fail, he is still on the hook (although if the vasectomy was botched, he might be able to sue, I guess)

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Bottom line is that you are asking to have a man have control in what happens to a woman's body.
    No, I am not. Bottom line, I am asking that women have control over their own bodies, and only their own bodies, while men have the same authority, only over their own lives. You are the one fighting for a system that gives one person undue control over another person's life.

    If you want to protect the fairness and justice in your own life, you shouldn't oppose fairness and justice in others' lives.
    Last edited by Korimyr the Rat; 09-19-13 at 09:37 AM.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Explain to us how the rights of anatomy (which end at birth, by the way) give someone a right to not just themselves, but also to OTHER people.
    People have the right to control what happens to their own body (men and women)

    After the baby is born, a man still does not have control over a woman's body, but then an infant needs to be supported by both parents.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    People have the right to control what happens to their own body (men and women)

    After the baby is born, a man still does not have control over a woman's body, but then an infant needs to be supported by both parents.
    Thus placing a man's life under the sole authority of a woman's decisions. You want the freedom to do what you want with your own life-- which, as I've stated repeatedly, you are entitled to-- but you also want the security of the State forcing others to support your decisions.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Thus placing a man's life under the sole authority of a woman's decisions.
    You are confusing rights of medical decisions over another person and personal responsibility for your actions again.

    A woman does not have control over a man's medical decisions.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    I have questions.

    If a woman wants to adopt out the baby and the father states "no, I want to raise the child"

    #1 Will the child be given to the father?

    #2 Will the mother have to pay child support?



    Just so my position is clear, I think it is fine for the father to take custody and to have the mom pay child support. That is fair.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I have the right to control my body. A man cannot control what happens to my body. What is so difficult about that?

    If a man does not want to be a father and pay child support - he needs to get a vasectomy or wear a high quality condom properly each and every time. And of course know that if those methods fail, he is still on the hook (although if the vasectomy was botched, he might be able to sue, I guess)
    Nothing. But a man choosing what he does with his OWN life and body and resources is not about YOUR body.

    You are arguing that you have the right to control someone else's body. And you're using the same argument to justify it that anti-choicers use to justify denying you the right to your own.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I have questions.

    If a woman wants to adopt out the baby and the father states "no, I want to raise the child"

    #1 Will the child be given to the father?

    #2 Will the mother have to pay child support?

    Just so my position is clear, I think it is fine for the father to take custody and to have the mom pay child support. That is fair.
    1. Sure.

    2. Not if she doesn't want to, and signs over all her rights like an adoption.

    At least that's how it should be.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I have questions.

    If a woman wants to adopt out the baby and the father states "no, I want to raise the child"

    #1 Will the child be given to the father?
    If the State knows who the father is, yes. Which, unless the mother is married to the man, is also solely at her discretion.

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    #2 Will the mother have to pay child support?
    Yes, if the State awards it.

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Just so my position is clear, I think it is fine for the father to take custody and to have the mom pay child support. That is fair.
    I don't think that's fair, either-- fair to the woman who chose not to become a parent.

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