View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, both mothers and fathers support the children they have. Choice has nothing to do with it
    Except for all the choices the mother gets to make before she becomes a mother.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I will say that while a lot of men grip like hell about this issue. Nobody has offered or has shown any type of language that could be used to implement some legislation to deal with the inequity you believe isn't right...and that you've pointed out...and are so unhappy with. Let me repeat it:
    I've already done this, even if I haven't gone so far as to write the exact legislation. It's bone simple: children do not have parents until their parents have signed their birth certificates. A woman chooses to bear a child, and chooses whether or not to keep the child-- as she does now-- and then she chooses a man to whom she will offer the child. That man, upon review, chooses whether or not he will accept the child. When this is done, both parents sign the birth certificate, the child is named, and they are both parents with full and equal responsibilities. If the chosen man will not sign, the mother has the right to choose a different man, raise the child alone, or give the child up for adoption.

    It's really that simple. People choose whether or not to have children. People who do not choose to have children are not forced to be parents. People who do choose to become parents are more likely to raise their children responsibly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Really...how did that happen? While that makes sense to you...two people co-create a conception and it doesn't make a billy-damn as to why an unintended conception occurred. The laws will never exempt one of those co-creators just because they aren't happy about the creation.
    Again, except for the one they already give multiple opportunities to opt-out. Really, this has nothing to do with holding people accountable for the children they produce, and everything to do with saving money on welfare payments.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    What is stupid is you continually saying something that isAnd when asked to provide proof of your assertion you fail to do so.


    If it were true you could show it.
    You fail because you can't, because it isn't true.

    If you want to believe that for yourself go straight on ahead.
    Doesn't change the fact that it isn't true.


    If it were a true statement it would be so for all parties involved, but it just isn't.

    Consent to have sex is not consent to have a child.

    So, when two men have sex, is that consent to a child? Of course not.
    When two women have sex, is that consent to a child? Of course not.

    But to you, when a man and a woman have sex, the man is the only one consenting to have children by it. That is an absurd position.
    She later consents or doesn't, when she finds out she is pregnant. Not at the time of sex.
    You do understand the "or doesn't" part, right?


    Consent to have sex is not consent to have a child. Period.
    I note your total lack of evidence while expecting evidence from me.

    That's why I don't put much effort into responding. Maybe practice what you preach?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Really...how did that happen? While that makes sense to you...two people co-create a conception and it doesn't make a billy-damn as to why an unintended conception occurred. The laws will never exempt one of those co-creators just because they aren't happy about the creation.
    And thus consent to sex is consent to have a child.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I note your total lack of evidence while expecting evidence from me.

    That's why I don't put much effort into responding. Maybe practice what you preach?
    You seem to be confused.
    It doesn't work that way.

    In general.
    If something exists, evidence for it's existence can be shown.
    If it doesn't, none can be provided.
    Nor can evidence be provided to show something does not exist, which does not exist.

    Therefore; Consent to have sex, is not consent to have a child.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Except for all the choices the mother gets to make before she becomes a mother.



    I've already done this, even if I haven't gone so far as to write the exact legislation. It's bone simple: children do not have parents until their parents have signed their birth certificates. A woman chooses to bear a child, and chooses whether or not to keep the child-- as she does now-- and then she chooses a man to whom she will offer the child. That man, upon review, chooses whether or not he will accept the child. When this is done, both parents sign the birth certificate, the child is named, and they are both parents with full and equal responsibilities. If the chosen man will not sign, the mother has the right to choose a different man, raise the child alone, or give the child up for adoption.

    It's really that simple. People choose whether or not to have children. People who do not choose to have children are not forced to be parents. People who do choose to become parents are more likely to raise their children responsibly.



    Again, except for the one they already give multiple opportunities to opt-out. Really, this has nothing to do with holding people accountable for the children they produce, and everything to do with saving money on welfare payments.
    To save money on welfare?

    Children do not have parents until their names are on a birth certificate? Good...thats great. Then make them all wards of the state...and that's only like 3000 a month for foster care.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Purely magical thinking and very inaccurate...carry on. It's entertaining. Nothing but conjecture...and a wish list.
    Yes, we have seen your magical thinking.
    Your posts are every entertaining, as well as wrong.

    This thread, as well as the opinions expressed in it, shows the way thoughts about this are changing.
    Your failure to recognize that is your downfall.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Except for all the choices the mother gets to make before she becomes a mother.



    I've already done this, even if I haven't gone so far as to write the exact legislation. It's bone simple: children do not have parents until their parents have signed their birth certificates. A woman chooses to bear a child, and chooses whether or not to keep the child-- as she does now-- and then she chooses a man to whom she will offer the child. That man, upon review, chooses whether or not he will accept the child. When this is done, both parents sign the birth certificate, the child is named, and they are both parents with full and equal responsibilities. If the chosen man will not sign, the mother has the right to choose a different man, raise the child alone, or give the child up for adoption.

    It's really that simple. People choose whether or not to have children. People who do not choose to have children are not forced to be parents. People who do choose to become parents are more likely to raise their children responsibly.



    Again, except for the one they already give multiple opportunities to opt-out. Really, this has nothing to do with holding people accountable for the children they produce, and everything to do with saving money on welfare payments.
    I do not accept at all that it has only to do with welfare payments. It is kinda scary that you think being personally responsible for the children you produce is so trivial.

    But I will bite anyway. Why in the hell should the state (read taxpayers) pay for the children of the women that you knock up if you have the ability to share some financial responsibility.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Yes, we have seen your magical thinking.
    Your posts are every entertaining, as well as wrong.

    This thread, as well as the opinions expressed in it, shows the way thoughts about this are changing.
    Your failure to recognize that is your downfall.
    Prove me wrong...

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Prove me wrong...
    Oy Vey!

    It was already pointed out to you that the opinions expressed in this thread alone shows how opinions are changing.
    What about that do you not understand?
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Oy Vey!

    It was already pointed out to you that the opinions expressed in this thread alone shows how opinions are changing.
    What about that do you not understand?
    I simply pointed out to you the legal realities. And it wasn't from guessing...nor was it opinion. Oh...apparently I understand more than most about this issue. And there's reason for such...which I'm not going to broadcast in a Internet forum.

    thanks...for your kind responses...

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