View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

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Thread: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary, I have yet to see anyone argue in favor of a post-birth abrogation of responsibility assuming he knew of the child.
    They don't realize what you are saying. The underlined.
    Heck, it doesn't appear that they understand much.

    I set it out in the beginning.
    He should have a choice.
    To ensure fairness he should also be given roughly the same about of time that she has to make the decision once informed.
    Roughly 90 days.
    Whether that be before or after the birth.
    This ensures that she is not able to coerce him into taking responsibility by not informing him. Which oof course has to be taken into consideration in designing such law.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "All Factors" to include "emotional". If the woman emotionally doesn't want a kid, that justifies its' killing. Sure you can push the "age" bit to its extremes and ask what about 10 year olds; which obviates the fact that it equally applies to 28 year olds who think that their family would be negatively effected ("familial", you will recall) by the addition of another child not at all.

    ...
    Familial does NOT refer to family members but rather to a Prenatal diagnosis of familial genetic disorders like the following one I linked.

    From the PUB Med website:
    Familial Dysautonomia (FD) is an autosomal recessive sensory neuropathy that affects about 1 in 3,700 individuals of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. The underlying biochemical and genetic defects are unknown, thereby precluding prenatal diagnosis in at-risk families. Recently, the FD gene (DYS) was mapped with strong linkage disequilibrium to polymorphic markers in the chromosome 9 region q31-q33.
    Prenatal diagnosis of familial dysautonomia b... [Am J Med Genet. 1995] - PubMed - NCBI
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Incorrect - she is raising a child, which was her choice. If she chooses to put the child up for adoption (end her responsibilities to it) she won't owe a dime in Child Support.



    if the father was afforded equal treatment under the law, your argument would have more merit.
    I am curious, don't both parents have to agree to adoption?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
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    Oh goody Even if I took your numbers at face value, the murder of millions of children doesn't exactly excuse itself.
    Millions of post viable fetuses are NOT being aborted.

    Less than .1 percent of all legal abortions that take in USA are of viable fetuses and those are the extreme cases that I have mentioned numerous times.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    So your beef is that women have more options then men? How about premenstrual medications? Do you have a beef because women have more options with those too?
    They think the law should make everyone equal instead of merely treating everyone equally

    I have the option to buy a Porsche, so maybe the law should allow everyone to have a Porsche

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Right... but women want ALL the choices, ALL of the power and in order for that to happen men have to get NO choices and have NO power...
    Because men can't choose to have a vasectomy or no sex.

    Those are beyond his control
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Nobody can stick it to the woman since she can abort... THAT IS THE WHOLE ****ING POINT!
    If the father didn't stick it to the mother, she wouldn't be a mother
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Nobody is saying that she does not have the absolute right or that she has any chance of losing control of her body... I hear this and I think "where is this coming from? Because I ain't being heard AT ALL".

    ...and I didn't realise that as a father I don't have any responsibility and she was stuck with my kids for 18 years and I wasn't. In fact, as a single father that has more custody that she does... I have more responsibility than she does.
    But you chose that. You weren't expected and pressured by society to choose that path. There is some pressure, yes, but men aren't expected to conform to that role nearly the way women are. Men aren't told every single day of their lives that they are supposed to be fathers and that this is the most important thing for them to do. That is the big difference. You had a choice. A real choice, between two realistic alternatives. Often, a woman doesn't have that.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Incorrect - she is raising a child, which was her choice. If she chooses to put the child up for adoption (end her responsibilities to it) she won't owe a dime in Child Support.
    She is paying to support the child. She is paying child support.

    if the father was afforded equal treatment under the law, your argument would have more merit.
    The father is afforded equal treatment under the law
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    She is paying to support the child. She is paying child support.



    The father is afforded equal treatment under the law
    The mother supports the child and the father supports the child. How in the hell is that not equal?

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