View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

    5 4.95%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Being pro-life wasn't the only criteria. It is the dastardly combination of being both pro-life AND believing that men should have the right to evade supporting their own child.
    That's not what you said, now is it? It doesn't matter though. I think I've gotten all I can out of this thread, chief among what I've learned is what a powerless victim I am to women (I always suspected as much) and that I can choose to opt out of the consequences of my actions (that'll come in handy with my next speeding ticket).

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Which actually seems quite fair, since society puts an obligation on women to actually give up those aforementioned 18 years to raise a child...
    Women can give up the kid even at the hospital right after it's born. No one is forcing women to raise the kid even when they decide to carry it to term. Try some other argument.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Which actually seems quite fair, since society puts an obligation on women to actually give up those aforementioned 18 years to raise a child, while the most it demands from men is part of their paychecks. Meanwhile, women get pregnant and men don't. It sounds like women get all the responsibility already. Why shouldn't they get all the choice?

    Either way, since she is the one who gets pregnant and the fetus lives in her body, there's really no possible way to say any person besides her has the right to decide on whether or not she obtains an abortion. There is just no way to make the argument that she doesn't have that absolute right and that other situations don't involve a person losing control of their body as well.
    Nobody is saying that she does not have the absolute right or that she has any chance of losing control of her body... I hear this and I think "where is this coming from? Because I ain't being heard AT ALL".

    ...and I didn't realise that as a father I don't have any responsibility and she was stuck with my kids for 18 years and I wasn't. In fact, as a single father that has more custody that she does... I have more responsibility than she does.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    That's not what you said, now is it? It doesn't matter though. I think I've gotten all I can out of this thread, chief among what I've learned is what a powerless victim I am to women (I always suspected as much) and that I can choose to opt out of the consequences of my actions (that'll come in handy with my next speeding ticket).
    That's exactly what I said. I was talking about those here are suggesting men should have the right to opt out of supporting their child. I pointed out those who are pro-life and gave two examples of how they are looking for a way to evade being responsible for their own kid.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    My mistake. I thought you were making the argument that abortion being birth control rather than emergency life saving medical procedure (which it still sometimes is) somehow sullies it and is some kind of sneaky agenda conspiracy thing. Some people argue that. I thought you were. Carry on.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't buy that myth... I know women like it... calm down.


    Bottom line. Women can have an abortion as a means of birth control. If they don't want a kid they can have an abortion. Deflect it all you like, as most do. I'll just stick to that point and wait for somebody to refute it with logic.
    Apparently logic is subjective, because in my opinion your posts are lacking it.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Incorrect. Doe v Bolton declared that "the medical judgment [that an abortion is required] may be exercised in the light of all factors - physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age." No "irreparable damage to a major bodily function" is required whatsoever.

    In otherwords, the only "burden of proof" is that a baby would be inconvenient and difficult (and since when are babies ever easy?), or that emotionally you dont' want a child. It is a barrier that is effectively non-existant due to the broad and vague language attached to it. ...

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    There are no inconvenient reasons allowed after viability unless you think major psychological damage which falls under irrepable damage to a major bodilily function in Kansas law is an inconvenience reason I myself don't ...to me the brain ( mind ) is a major bodiliy function.

    Woman's age .. A 10 year old body is at risk during a pregnancy , same with a 50 some year old in some cases also falls under irreparable damage in Kansas law.

    And there were only 132 cases major irreparable damage to a major bodily function which also included things like kidney, liver, and other organ failure in 2008 in Kansas.

    Risk to life/ major bodilily function and not being viable are the reasons allowed after limit of viability in Kansas.

    The reason non viability - still birth and the fetus being so malformed it will only live a few hours or minutes are extreme cases are because if the fetus dies in the womb and is not removed quickly it can turn septic and cause a life threatening infection in the woman.

    Therefore the viability reason is really a risk of the woman's life reason but it is recorded as non viable in the Kansas records.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    She is specifically paying to support the child so "Yes, she's paying child support"

    What she isn't paying is "court-ordered child support".

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    When a father wins custody of the child /children the mother is often required child support.

    That happened to one of friends daughters just recently.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    ....

    ...and if the man could opt out the woman would be more careful, selective and safe... .
    And if a woman could chose to opt out or not opt out the man would more careful, selective and safe.

    Oh snap.... Women do have a choice but men are still being careless, non selective and are still having unprotected sex with women they don't want to have children with.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Should a man have an absolute right to have his baby aborted?

    In the alternative, should he be granted relief from all legal responsibility if it is his clearly stated wish to abort but the woman decides not to?

    Let me preface my remarks with this disclaimer; I am Pro-Choice and I support a womanís absolute right to choose to have an abortion for several reasons, including the fact it is the woman who must endure the pregnancy to carry the child to term, and then follows the lifelong responsibility to raise and care for any child born.

    The dilemma occurs when the woman unilaterally decides to have the baby, even when the male does not wish to accept that long-term responsibility.

    In a recent news report, a young man was so desperate not to have a child that he tricked his girlfriend into taking a morning after pill. Now I do not support or condone this action, but it does bring up the thesis issue for meÖwhy does the male partner have no say in a decision to keep the baby?

    When a woman makes the unilateral decision to keep the baby this then compels lifelong legal and emotional obligations on the part of the unwilling father. This creates resentment and recriminations in both parties. By attempting to force the man to marry and/or support both her and the child this only serves to create a negative environment for all concerned, especially for any child to grow up in.

    Since we now have a simple method of aborting in the early stages of the first trimester, without needing an invasive surgery, why should the absolute choice to keep the baby reside with the mother? If it does, why canít the man be legally relieved of further responsibility to both parties?

    I have offered several voting options, please pick and then explain what do you think? I am especially interested in arguments for why the woman has the sole right to keep the child while making the man permanently responsible.
    That is invasive, an infringement of rights.

    How is giving men the right to dictate this, dissimilar to giving women the right to abort a living child...? Objectively a child's body is his, not the mother's. As the mother's body is hers, not the father's. If it's an infringement of the child's rights to allow the mother to abort, it's even more complex an infringement of the mother's rights for a male to force her to abort against her will.

    You couldn't realistically enforce a law like that without huge difficulty. Apart from all the other issues, maternal and protective instinct is triggered for some women on pregnancy, which might result in the male being dispatched for threatening the child...

    The male however, could take responsibility and not create the pregnancy in the first place (avoiding the entire question).

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