View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

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  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    A lot of men like to argue against that standard, too. It is no more fair and just to make such arguments against men's rights than it is to make them against women's rights. If a consequence can be prevented, keeping someone from preventing it is not "letting nature take its course". Likewise, holding one person responsible for another person's decisions is not "responsibility".
    I was being sarcastic. To illustrate that the OP's question is rather silly, and the double standards involved in the whole issue.

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    Bottom line. Women can have an abortion as a means of birth control. If they don't want a kid they can have an abortion. Deflect it all you like, as most do. I'll just stick to that point and wait for somebody to refute it with logic.
    You still have to prove that this is a bad thing.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    This debate is proving to highlight just how hypocritical these pro-lifers are. What their position amounts to is ...

    ... if a woman has an abortion, which they're against, they may not agree with that choice, but at least it gets them out of being a parent and doesn't cost them any money ...

    ... if a woman doesn't have an abortion, which is what they want, then they want to make her pay for choosing to do what they want her to do by not having to support their own child.

    The more I think about it ... their position is not only hypocritical, it's downright misogynistic.
    I'm pro life. Where did you get any of that from anything I posted?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Okay, since when are people held responsible for the consequences of "events" that they did not personally cause?
    Since when do people "consent to" consequences? What other responsibilities should I be able to abdicate by saying, well, I don't consent to be held responsible for my actions?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    You know what guys, if you don't want to have a baby with a woman, don't have sex with her. A lot of men like to argue that women should live by that standard, so maybe they should take it upon themselves. Unless you want to get her pregnant, keep your pants on. And by having sex with her, you implicitly agree to raise the child that comes of it, because that's the natural consequence.

    Right?

    You know what ladies, if you don't want to have a baby with a man, don't have sex with him. A lot of women like to argue that men should live by that standard, so maybe they should take it upon themselves. Unless you want to get pregnant, keep your pants on. And by having sex with him, you implicitly agree to give birth to the offspring, because that's the natural consequence.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Given that, from the moment of conception until the point of viability (and sometimes beyond), she has the legal option of terminating the pregnancy and, if she declines to name the father, once she has given birth she has the option of unilaterally surrendering the child for adoption... yes, that is exactly what I am saying. He helped her conceive. She didn't "have a baby" until she made a series of decisions to have a baby. She has choices.



    A lot of men like to argue against that standard, too. It is no more fair and just to make such arguments against men's rights than it is to make them against women's rights.



    If a consequence can be prevented, keeping someone from preventing it is not "letting nature take its course". Likewise, holding one person responsible for another person's decisions is not "responsibility".
    Then you're being ridiculous. A woman can't have a baby without a man causing it to happen. Whether directly by having sex or indirectly by sperm donation, a man caused her to have the baby. That's not to say she too didn't cause it, it obviously takes two. And to absolve the man of all causation simply because the woman chose to have the baby is mind boggling. Most woman choose to have their baby. According to your post, not a single man in this country caused that to happen. Millions of babies born, not one man responsible.


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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I was being sarcastic. To illustrate that the OP's question is rather silly, and the double standards involved in the whole issue.



    You still have to prove that this is a bad thing.
    That what is a bad thing? Honestly... not following you. I think that women having an abortion, exercising their right, is fine. Sticking a guy with 18 years is not fine.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Seriously?

    But seriously folks... of course. The argument is about using BC and having it fail. What do you do then...? She can abort.
    So your beef is that women have more options then men? How about premenstrual medications? Do you have a beef because women have more options with those too?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You know what ladies, if you don't want to have a baby with a man, don't have sex with him. A lot of women like to argue that men should live by that standard, so maybe they should take it upon themselves. Unless you want to get pregnant, keep your pants on. And by having sex with him, you implicitly agree to give birth to the offspring, because that's the natural consequence.

    Right?
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    Thanks for my argument. I love when people make it easy.
    Right... but women want ALL the choices, ALL of the power and in order for that to happen men have to get NO choices and have NO power...
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm pro life. Where did you get any of that from anything I posted?
    Being pro-life wasn't the only criteria. It is the dastardly combination of being both pro-life AND believing that men should have the right to evade supporting their own child.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Then you're being ridiculous. A woman can't have a baby without a man causing it to happen. Whether directly by having sex or indirectly by sperm donation, a man caused her to have the baby. That's not to say she too didn't cause it, it obviously takes two. And to absolve the man of all causation simply because the woman chose to have the baby is mind boggling. Most woman choose to have their baby. According to your post, not a single man in this country caused that to happen. Millions of babies born, not one man responsible.

    So you're still only holding one party responsible. How many pages are going to pass before people realize that is what they are doing?

    Support abortion? Oh hell ya!

    Support men walking? No,no,no, that is just wrong.

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