View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
  • I Don't Know.

    5 4.95%
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Thread: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    What part of "primary" do you not get? And when is a woman not solely responsible for her own body? A man is responsible for his own body, just as she is for hers. If I have sex with someone, he is not responsible for me in the least. It is a voluntary act on my part.
    For one thing, again, you have to be corrected. I never stated that he was responsible for her decisions. I said he is responsible for his decisions to have sex.

    If he doesn't want to have a child, it is HIS responsibility to protect himself. What if the woman WANTS to have his child? What if she is deceptive about it? You are soooo wrong here. Both parties are responsible for themselves. You want everyone to be responsible but they just aren't and that is a fantasy. You are not looking at this realistically and children WOULD suffer because of this ignorance.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    I just hope people teach their sons better than this. This is disgusting.

    Very depressing too that people have such attitudes. Very sad indeed that it's come to this.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    So if a man doesn't even have sex with a woman, but his DNA somehow is used to conceive a child with her, he's responsible for that child?
    Hmmmm...explain that a bit more. Are you suggesting that a large number of conceptions come into being...by some covert, illegal means to impregnate women? I mean that this happens so frequent it would be considered to be the rule...not the exception?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I've stated multiple times that my preference is for neither individual to be able to opt out of their parental responsibilities at any stage of the childs' development. But if you are going to offer that option then you should do it equally.
    There is no equal. Unless you are saying a man suffers the same physical consequences as a women does during pregnancy. Sorry, but her body her choice. Is it fair that a woman only has to suffer the potentially life threatening consequences of pregnancy? Fairness has nothing to do with it. It just is.

    Now, if you want to be fair, I offer that if a man becomes pregnant he will have the same option as the womag abn.

    Now after childbirth, the fairness issue is all about the child.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Hmmmm...explain that a bit more. Are you suggesting that a large number of conceptions come into being...by some covert, illegal means to impregnate women? I mean that this happens so frequent it would be considered to be the rule...not the exception?
    No, I'm using a deliberately unlikely case to feel out your logic. There are no exceptions to the law, except that they are written into the law themselves.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    No, I'm using a deliberately unlikely case to feel out your logic. There are no exceptions to the law, except that they are written into the law themselves.
    I've provided multiple reasons that show why an Opt-Out proposal hasn't been logically defined...and that I haven't seen anybody display any well thought out arguments or premises that justify their claims of being a victim of this horrible disparity between men and women.

    Now...how about your logic? How would you create such a proposal without infringing on a woman's equal rights defined in the constitution which includes life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and including right to privacy between her and her medical provider...which by the way hasn't been challenged for men.

    Another words...I see a lot of bitching...without providing any achievable way of solving this disparity.

    I want to see the language of how such a opt-out is constructed in order to prove that it is achievable without diminishing a woman's fundamental, equal rights.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I've provided multiple reasons that show why an Opt-Out proposal hasn't been logically defined...and that I haven't seen anybody display any well thought out arguments or premises that justify their claims of being a victim of this horrible disparity between men and women.

    Now...how about your logic? How would you create such a proposal without infringing on a woman's equal rights defined in the constitution which includes life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and including right to privacy between her and her medical provider...which by the way hasn't been challenged for men.

    Another words...I see a lot of bitching...without providing any achievable way of solving this disparity.

    I want to see the language of how such a opt-out is constructed in order to prove that it is achievable without diminishing a woman's fundamental, equal rights.
    Can there be fornication insurance? A man can opt out of child support if he is insured and the insurance pays out what should be child support .

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Can there be fornication insurance? A man can opt out of child support if he is insured and the insurance pays out what should be child support .
    HOLY ****! That is an achievable solution. Brilliant! No insurance...no nookie!

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    HOLY ****! That's is an achievable solution. Brilliant! No insurance...no nookie!
    No flow, call Flo

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    There is a biological disparity, the person with the greatest risk is the woman which is why it is incumbent on her to be both extremely cautious and responsible when it comes to her own body. This is exactly what Lizzie and Smoke&Mirrors are talking about. The risk of pregnancy is borne by the woman, therefore she has the greater responsibility to prevent a pregnancy from occurring.

    However, some members seem to think that just by depositing sperm the male has somehow agreed to have a baby result. Nothing could be further from the truth as exemplified by the fact that even when the male WANTS the baby, the woman can simply say ďNO, itís my body and I donít want one.Ē

    I guess one way to look at the disparity is myopically, i.e. once a male deposits his sperm he is agreeing that whatever happens the choice is solely the womanís from that point on. Well, some of us don't quite agree.



    Where is the coercion? The woman can still have the baby. The woman can still choose not to have the baby. The only coercion I see is that imposed upon the unwilling male, who literally has no choice.

    It is possible to develop a ďpublic policyĒ creating an equitable solution which empowers the female to accept responsibility for her choice to have a baby, while releasing the male who never wanted marriage and family from the get-go. As possible as all the ďpublic policyĒ subsequently created after Roe v. Wade in support of a womanís right to choose.



    Thatís because this is a hypothetical discussion including a public poll to see what kind of support the idea has. Itís not something Iíve been considering legal action on for years and years. It is merely something that has come to mind from time to time in relation to Pro-Choice; and a recent incident in the news prompted me to bring it up in the forum.

    Iím not writing an actual bill, Iím simply sounding out my peers.



    Iíve already addressed the possibility. We are not legislators engaged in discussing legislation. We are citizens gathered in a forum discussing issues of interest and concern. It is a ďdebateĒ on a particular area of the abortion issue.

    Iím interested in hearing what people think. Iím arguing for my position just as you are for yours. The poll (which does not count pro-life votes because they are committed to absolute opposition, hence assume both parties MUST have a child) is to see how many people think the idea is a good one and how many think it is a bad one and why.
    Lordy, Lordy...Counselor...gotta do better than that. Still chopping away at a woman's fundamental constitutional rights....

    But really, this whole thing has now drifted to what is appropriate for a woman to think and how to behave regarding to her reproductive role..according to men.

    Meh...what else is new?

    Oh, yes...there is coercion. You're assuming that just because a man wants opts out...she's obliged to just abort...since he's an unhappy camper. Not really. If not abort...then you have to assume that if she wants to proceed with having a child...well, she shouldn't have been so short sighted in not considering the possibility of an unintended conception, which her sex partner would freak out about and opt out. And the big coercion is...If she is against having an abortion and can't financially manage prenatal care...all the way up to child support. And there are other consideration...that I'm not going to post now.

    The biggest hole in this whole deal is what you want to eliminate in face of the outcome of an unintended conception brought to full term...regardless of reasons...and that is...once a birth has occurred...no civilized society is going to allow the man to NOT be beholding in at least his share of support. Not gonna happen.

    CA...I lost a really much longer reply...and this damn time-out feature demolished it...and my train got broke. I'll try to reconstruct it and post it when I can...
    With much clearer and concise response. This is a really quicky thing...and not conveyed in the want I would like. So I'll get back soon as I can.
    and concise response.

    If there's no reviewable language in how such an opt-out option would be constructed...then I don't see it as a viable option at all.

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