View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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Thread: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Regardless of how you personally feel about it, it happens all the time. Women are not solely responsible for a sex act because it takes two people. Simple really. Without the contribution of the male, no pregnancy would occur so you are just plain wrong. I'm starting to wonder if you ever had sex education because this is basic biology. It takes two, and both are responsible for their actions. Condoms are available for men, and they need to start using them. They can also get diseases and make babies. The ONLY difference is that the woman incubates the child as it develops. That's IT.
    A woman decides if a sexual act will happen, unless as Lizzie explained, the act is rape.
    If a man doesn't wear a condom, then don't ride his pony.
    You really need to think before your speak.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Wrong.
    If a woman becomes she can opt for an abortion within the parameters of Roe vs Wade which means before viability except in extreme cases.

    The extreme cases are when a woman's life ,or irreparable damage to a major bodily function would occur if the pregnancy continued or when the fetus would be stillborn or when the fetus is so malformed it would only live a few minutes or hours.
    Those are extreme cases.
    Wrong. Doe v Bolton, released the same day as Roe v Wade, effectively did away with any such restrictions, allowing for unrestrained abortion for any reason. Only three other countries have abortion laws that allow abortion in as wide a range of circumstances as the United States - China, North Korea, and Canada.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    The only problem is that under most State laws the responsibility is forcibly a shared one where the man has no "choice"...
    Exactly, under current state law. That is a reflection of current public policy; but it has not always been public policy just as it has not in all instances always been state law. Laws can be changed.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Please, more "it's not fair" whining?

    If you want "it's not fair" try being pregnant for nine months. While I was headed for pre-eclampsia (read potential organ damage and death) and needing surgery with general anesthesia to deliver my baby....I never thought that "dang, its not fair that only the mom has to go through this".

    Sorry, but the numerous physical changes and potential damages that can come from pregnancy kinda over-rides any man's "it's not fair that she can opt out, but I cannot"

    I am curious, men are obliged to pay child support once the baby is born - but are they required to pay pregnancy support? Never heard of it if there is such a thing.

    But seriously, "opting out" of supporting your child - if any pro-life individual says this...I will say that it strengthens my view that many "pro-life" people are pro-fetus and not pro-life.
    I've stated multiple times that my preference is for neither individual to be able to opt out of their parental responsibilities at any stage of the childs' development. But if you are going to offer that option then you should do it equally.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    No woman can legally have a born child killed.
    Nor is anyone arguing that a father should be allowed to divest himself of responsibilities once the child is born - only beforehand. The exact same as the mother.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You appear to be thoroughly confused to what this thread is about. It's questioning if men who knock someone up can evade supporting their own child should the mother have the baby. So yes, despite your confusion, there really is a child being abandoned by a deadbeat dad under this pathetic scenario.
    on the contrary. According to the pro-choice side he is choosing to divest himself for responsibility for raising a fetus, not a child. If we are going to offer one gender a veto over their future commitment to a "fetus", then we need to offer both genders a veto over their responsibility to the "fetus". If it is a child, then neither gender should get a veto excepting in the case where they choose to give a child up for adoption.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Exactly, under current state law. That is a reflection of current public policy; but it has not always been public policy just as it has not in all instances always been state law. Laws can be changed.
    I'll believe that when men gain the same choices afforded women to divest themselves of responsibility before a child is born..
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wrong. Doe v Bolton, released the same day as Roe v Wade, effectively did away with any such restrictions, allowing for unrestrained abortion for any reason. ...
    No it did not do away restrictions as I have told you before.
    Doe vs Bolton allows for abortions past viability in extreme cases where irreparable damage will take place to a major bodily function if the pregnancy continued.

    Currently there are only 4 doctors who legally perform abortions in the USA after viability.
    In 2008 there were 5 doctors including Dr. Tiller.

    Kansas was one of a small handful of states that allowed abortions after viability in extreme cases.
    The extreme cases were cases where the woman's life or irreparable damage to a major bodilily function would occur if the pregnancy continued or cases where the fetus would be still born or was so malformed it would only survive a few minutes or hours.

    OB/GYNs from all over the USA would send their patients with these extrem problem pregnancies to Dr. Tiller.

    Kansas kept a record of all abortions performed at or after 22 weeks gestation ( 24 weeks gestation is the limit of viabilty ).

    There were 323 abortions at or after 22 weeks gestation in Kansas in 2008.
    192 were because the fetus was not viable. It would either be stillborn or was so malformed it would only live a few minutes or hours.

    The other 132 cases ( your so called any reason Doe v Bolton cases ) were because there would be irreparable damage to a major bodilily function if the pregnancy continued.
    Last edited by minnie616; 09-17-13 at 07:18 PM.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'll believe that when men gain the same choices afforded women to divest themselves of responsibility before a child is born..
    Well, I don't think anyone is even trying; not to my knowledge anyway. I posted this OP because it has been popping up in my mind from time to time and that kid getting in trouble for tricking his girlfriend into taking a morning after pill prompted me to see what people think.

    This kid was so desperate that he jumped through hoops in a crazy attempt to get both the pill and tricking her into taking it...There are stories of other men who have done even worse things, like violence. None of this is acceptable, in fact it is irrational. That does not stop it from happening.

    What's more, trying to comply with curent "public policy" results in large numbers of dysfunctional families over just this issue. That's certainly not good for society as a whole. I don't know the answer, but I do wonder if such a change might have beneficial effects on society.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    No decision is necessary to determine the responsibility of parent...man or woman ONCE A CONCEPTION has developed past viability stage. Responsibilities are intrinsic to the social standards universally applied to both a man and woman who are identified as the biological co-creators of a viable fetus / born child.
    So if a man doesn't even have sex with a woman, but his DNA somehow is used to conceive a child with her, he's responsible for that child?

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