View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary, women get two ways to opt out; they can either have the child killed, or give it up for adoption. No such escapes are made available to the father.
    Wrong. There are no children to be responsible for until birth, so an abortion doesn't opt out of having children.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Women are not allowed to opt out of their responsibility to raise a child, so men should not be allowed to do
    You are playing word games.
    If a woman chooses to abort there is no child to be spoken of.
    If she chooses to have a child, it should only effect her and not another unless they choose also.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There is no biological demand that we not allow a father equal ability
    There is no legal demand, or moral justification for having the law produce equal ability or equal outcomes.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You are the one trying to force taxpayers to pay for the child. If the father is not responsible, then a lot of times the mother will just collect welfare for herself and the child. So the choice is yours, either the father pays for his child or you let him walk away without any kind of responsibility and we all pay instead.
    No I am not.
    As it is, that is the way it happens.
    As it would be, no.
    She brought a child into this world believing that he would be, voluntarily or not, supporting the child.
    Under the proposal, she would not be thinking such if he said he wasn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Exactly, this whole thread is disgusting. These selfish men are trying to make this an issue about them and how they're mad that it's "NOT FAIR!" They need to STOP thinking about themselves and think about the child. The whole premise is selfish and retarded.
    What is disgusting is the unfairness to begin with.
    Nor is there anything wrong with seeking fairness of choice.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    STOP turning this into a male versus female battle. It is immature. IF you have sex with a woman and she gets pregnant, you are BOTH responsible.
    And yet you apparently are ignoring that after that, she is allowed to make a choice that doesn't just effect her.
    That is wrong.
    Her choice should only effect her.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This is just a terrible idea. It will create more broken homes, fatherless unwanted children and more people collecting public assistance or MORE abortions. What an AWFUL idea.
    What?
    It would likely reduce such things.
    What you are saying under this proposal, is that if a woman knows the man would not support the child, she would have it anyway.
    The likelihood of that would most likely swing in the opposite direction - that she would choose to abort unless she was able to support the child on her own.


    You are also forgetting about the guys who would accept.

    It is a great idea.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    If there isn't child support, then the obligation will fall on the rest of us.
    This problem would be lessened under the proposal.
    Woman would finally be making a truly informed decision.

    No longer would you see those who shouldn't be mothers on shows like Jerry Springer saying that they are going to get their money.



    Although not the topic.

    It could even be reenforced with laws that prevent women from bringing children into this world if they are not mentally fit, and able to provided financial support for it, whether it be from them, the sperm donor, or family and friends who would go on the record as being responsible.
    Then we would only be left with those who have temporarily fallen on hard times and need support.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No we don't. Currently we allow one gender to duck its' responsibility
    Until it's born, there is no responsibility. One cannot duck a responsibility that does not yet exist

    Once born, neither the mother nor the father can evade their responsibility to raise the child.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No it isn't, only if there are associated complications such as gestational diabetes, or pregnancy-induced hypertension. Pregnancy in and of itself is NOT a medical condition. We only refer to it as such in the United States so that our insurance will cover for pregnancy. In other parts of the world, it is certainly not considered a medical condition but a natural process of the female body. Our bodies are built for carrying and delivering children. There is nothing unnatural about it.
    Wrong.

    It's not a disease or an illness, but pregnancy is most certainly a medical condition
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are playing word games.
    If a woman chooses to abort there is no child to be spoken of.
    And if there is no child, then there is no responsibility to the child to evade

    If she chooses to have a child, it should only effect her and not another unless they choose also.
    If there is a child, both mother and father are responsible for raising that child.
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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And if there is no child, then there is no responsibility to the child to evade

    If there is a child, both mother and father are responsible for raising that child.
    Still with the games I see.

    Nothing would be evaded, as what you speak of would not exist if the proposal came to fruition.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    It is entirely possible. All it takes is a "public policy" change on a state per state basis. How realistic? Well, how realistic were any of the social changes of the 1960's if someone tried to bring them about in the 1950's??? Especially abortion rights?

    I respect your opinion, and understand your position concerning child welfare. However, IMO supporting the creation of dysfunctional families because of a woman's refusal to face facts seems more socially detrimental than allowing a male to legally opt-out.
    I certainly respect your opinion a well, but the more these post are defining the various dynamics of conception and parameters that create this perceived means of legal opt-out law...is predicated on magical thinking.

    CA...it's not about my concern for child welfare. There is a biological disparity that can't be overridden.

    All of the "dysfunctional family stories", sad as some might be...it is impossible employ a public policy to coerce a woman into reacting to a conception based on someone else beliefs on when and when they should not reproduce.

    You have yet to outline just a simple version of what such a public policy's language would look like and how it would be enforced.

    So far all I've seen is: LIFE'S NOT FAIR - I RAISE MY STAFF - LET THERE BE AN MALE OPT-OUT LAW! Poooof...and there came upon the earth...an opt-out law or public policy.

    I've seen nothing but this way of controlling through coercion via a public policy as you call it. Since it's still not possible to create...it really is nothing less than a "I'm not gonna get mad - I'm gonna get even" mentality somehow converted into some form of legal instrument.

    Actually this whole thing reminds me of stories about the flood of witch burning during the 16th century...ALL BASED ON...one person's perception of another person's life not being lived in a way they thought they should live.

    So now...we would have to have a judicial system that can foretell the future of any given woman. In other words...okay...Ma'am, you'll have a dysfunctional family and the guy doesn't want to be a part of that so he's opting out.

    The Opt-Outer...need to be way more specific about how this policy is constructed...and how to truly enforce it without infringing on the rights of a woman. EQUAL RIGHTS.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary, women get two ways to opt out; they can either have the child killed, or give it up for adoption. No such escapes are made available to the father.
    Please, more "it's not fair" whining?

    If you want "it's not fair" try being pregnant for nine months. While I was headed for pre-eclampsia (read potential organ damage and death) and needing surgery with general anesthesia to deliver my baby....I never thought that "dang, its not fair that only the mom has to go through this".

    Sorry, but the numerous physical changes and potential damages that can come from pregnancy kinda over-rides any man's "it's not fair that she can opt out, but I cannot"

    I am curious, men are obliged to pay child support once the baby is born - but are they required to pay pregnancy support? Never heard of it if there is such a thing.

    But seriously, "opting out" of supporting your child - if any pro-life individual says this...I will say that it strengthens my view that many "pro-life" people are pro-fetus and not pro-life.

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