View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

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  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

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  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

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Thread: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    She wasn't talking about abortion, but the right to avoid being a parent. Something you clearly missed in the first sentence.
    The only way to 100% avoid being a parent is to not have sex.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Well sure, making it so fathers don't have an obligation to support their children is clearly better for children and society. Kids getting the things they need is so over rated.
    Exactly, this whole thread is disgusting. These selfish men are trying to make this an issue about them and how they're mad that it's "NOT FAIR!" They need to STOP thinking about themselves and think about the child. The whole premise is selfish and retarded.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I'm not proposing anything cpwill. That's just the way it is.
    That's right. And the way it is is wrong.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Abortion is a right protected by the Constitution.

    Abandoning your child is not.
    Well now you're in a bit of a corner. Is it a CHILD? Or is he abandoning a ZEF? Because if that is a living human child, then there is no justification for killing it unless it poses a life-threatening risk to another. But if it's not a child, then no child-abandonment is taking place.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Of course we would have legalized abortion since children aren't being aborted. That would be murder.
    Then neither are children being abandoned under the proposal to allow men to divest themselves of parental responsibilities during pregnancy .

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not true

    Women are required to support their children

    They can't opt out, so men shouldn't be able to either
    On the contrary, women get two ways to opt out; they can either have the child killed, or give it up for adoption. No such escapes are made available to the father.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's right. And the way it is is wrong.
    No, the way it is, is because of biological factors that cannot be changed. It's nobody's "fault" it just is. This stupid idea will cause even MORE poor people in our society, all because you want to let men shirk their responsibilities.

    There is just no way you can get around the fact that sex creates children. Don't want any? Don't have sex or be VERY careful who you choose to have sex with.

    Why do you want to punish the children by withholding care. The child has a RIGHT to be supported by both parents, regardless of whether or not you think the fact that women can abort a child "fair" or not.

    STOP turning this into a male versus female battle. It is immature. IF you have sex with a woman and she gets pregnant, you are BOTH responsible.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, the way it is, is because of biological factors that cannot be changed.
    On the contrary, it is the way it is because of the law. There is no biological demand that we not allow a father equal ability to divest himself from the responsibilities of parenthood as the mother has.

    It's nobody's "fault" it just is. This stupid idea will cause even MORE poor people in our society, all because you want to let men shirk their responsibilities.
    Quite the contrary - as I've made rather plain in the social and abortion forums, I would prefer incredibly stringent restrictions on abortion, and I would prefer to make divorces much more difficult to get. I think that the breakup of the modern family is our number 1 social disaster, and it's a social disaster with severe follow-on generational effects. Given the option, I would prefer that we keep the vast majority of people from shirking their responsibilities. But if we are going to allow women to do so on a pre-birth basis, then equal treatment of the sexes demands that we do the same for the men.

    There is just no way you can get around the fact that sex creates children. Don't want any? Don't have sex or be VERY careful who you choose to have sex with.
    Amen and isn't it funny, however, that when people bring up that argument in the abortion debates the argument somehow considered differently because then it's the woman under discussion who is expected to either refrain from sex or select her partners carefully?

    Why do you want to punish the children by withholding care. The child has a RIGHT to be supported by both parents, regardless of whether or not you think the fact that women can abort a child "fair" or not.
    If the child has rights then its rights start with the right to life. If it does not have rights, then it has no claim on the father.

    STOP turning this into a male versus female battle. It is immature
    No one on this side is attempting to turn this into a male v female battle. On the contrary, we are arguing for equitable treatment of both. It is your side who wishes to place a relative greater amount of power in the hands of one gender over the other.

    IF you have sex with a woman and she gets pregnant, you are BOTH responsible.
    Agreed. And should both be held to their responsibility.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary, it is the way it is because of the law. There is no biological demand that we not allow a father equal ability to divest himself from the responsibilities of parenthood as the mother has.



    Quite the contrary - as I've made rather plain in the social and abortion forums, I would prefer incredibly stringent restrictions on abortion, and I would prefer to make divorces much more difficult to get. I think that the breakup of the modern family is our number 1 social disaster, and it's a social disaster with severe follow-on generational effects. Given the option, I would prefer that we keep the vast majority of people from shirking their responsibilities. But if we are going to allow women to do so on a pre-birth basis, then equal treatment of the sexes demands that we do the same for the men.



    Amen and isn't it funny, however, that when people bring up that argument in the abortion debates the argument somehow considered differently because then it's the woman under discussion who is expected to either refrain from sex or select her partners carefully?



    If the child has rights then its rights start with the right to life. If it does not have rights, then it has no claim on the father.



    Agreed. And you should both be held to your responsibility.
    Look, you can make up all the false scenarios you want. It doesn't change the facts that in our country we hold both men and women responsible for the children they create.

    This has NOTHING to do with abortion, and it isn't going to change because you're sad. GROW UP! BE A MAN and accept your part in creating a life.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Look, you can make up all the false scenarios you want. It doesn't change the facts that in our country we hold both men and women responsible for the children they create.
    No we don't. Currently we allow one gender to duck its' responsibility, and do not allow the other gender to do so. If women are allowed to decide they no longer wish to be held responsible for the child up to a certain point, men ought to be afforded the exact same opportunity.

    This has NOTHING to do with abortion, and it isn't going to change because you're sad. GROW UP! BE A MAN and accept your part in creating a life.
    On the contrary, it has quite a lot to do with abortion. As you put it, the child either has rights (such as the right to life and support from its parents) or it doesn't.


    In the meantime, ad hominem does not make your case for you, it just makes you look foolish and desperate.

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