View Poll Results: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to abort his baby?

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  • Yes, but only during the first 20 weeks, same as a woman.

    3 2.97%
  • Yes, but only during the initial period when a non-invasive technique works.

    0 0%
  • No, but he should have the right to be legally relieved of all responsibility.

    50 49.50%
  • NO! Only the woman has this right and he remains responsible.

    21 20.79%
  • I oppose all abortion, so neither have the right.

    22 21.78%
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Thread: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    You are misusing the term "deadbeat dad," since the man never wanted a child, made it plain to the woman, and then because of HER choice alone is now considered by YOU to be a "father" responsible for the unwanted results of his sperm donation.

    They are analogous because some men WANT to be a father and want the woman to carry to term. She gets to say NO, I don't feel like it. It's her body, and I am fine with that. I am not fine with her saying to a man who does NOT want a baby, "too bad cuz WE are having one," and then imposing on him for the rest of his life. This is bound to turn out badly.

    Yes, under such circumstances there is a child involved. One who may get some "money" out of "daddy" for a few years; but who will also face all the travails of a dysfunctional family. IMO it is better for a woman who recognizes her full responsibility to raise the child alone. It's better for all involved, including society.
    Well sure, making it so fathers don't have an obligation to support their children is clearly better for children and society. Kids getting the things they need is so over rated.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I said nothing about a child. What I said is that in even before birth there is still the life of the offspring, and if we are interested in making people be responsible in their lives she must carry it term. Unless of course your responsibility argument has an exception for some reason.
    Then your response to my post is a non-sequitur since I was talking about a child.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Then your response to my post is a non-sequitur since I was talking about a child.
    Do you think the first stage of life is deemed as child? If so, I have no idea what that nine months is for. It must be a horrible, horrible party or something. I don't know.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you think the first stage of life is deemed as child? If so, I have no idea what that nine months was for. Must of been a horrible, horrible party or something. I don't know.
    No, I don't.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    No, I don't.
    Then you're being selective in your responsibility argument.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then you're being selective in your responsibility argument.
    Who knows how you reach that conclusion?

    One involves a woman having an abortion and not leaving a child stranded without that parent's support; where the other leaves a child stranded without the deadbeat dad's support.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Who knows how you reach that conclusion?

    One involves a woman having an abortion and not leaving a child stranded without that parent's support; where the other leaves a child stranded without the deadbeat dad's support.
    I don't imagine you realize that when she decides to abort that is her failing to support her offspring. You know, kind of like what she is doing for that nine month period.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't imagine you realize that when she decides to abort that is her failing to support it.
    So? It's still not a child. That was my point which I can't help but notice you're doing everything in your power to run away from. Oh, and lemme know when parents become obligated to financially support their unborn offspring.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    So? It's still not a child. That was my point which I can't help but notice you're doing everything in your power to run away from. Oh, and lemme know when parents become obligated to financially support their unborn offspring.
    I didn't run away from the stage of life you're talking about. Hell, I even dealt with it in post #1003. The fact is what she is doing for that nine months is supporting the child's life and health as it develops, which just so happens to be exactly what parents do after it's born and deemed a child.
    Last edited by Henrin; 09-17-13 at 02:58 AM.

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    Re: Should a Man have an Absolute Right to Choose to Abort His Baby?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    [/B]It's also a baby before it's born:
    "Child" 1 and "baby" 1 have pre-birth uses.
    A fetus is a "child" 2 and a "baby" 2 is a "child", thus we can call a fetus a "baby" 3.
    Legally a "child" 4 is one's natural offspring, which is what a pregnant woman carries.
    So, a pregnant woman carries her "child", her "unborn child", her "unborn baby".
    This makes her a "parent", specifically, a “mother”.

    "Organism" = "a living being".
    Human DNA = "human".
    "Organism" + Human DNA = "A Human Being".



    That's called slavery, one person belonging to another.


    This isn't about the state, this thread is about the father and rather or not he has an inherent universal right to force a woman to stop gestating his child.
    Wordplay merely. If I say I 'belong' to the Penderyn family that doesn't mean they own me as a slave, does it, particularly if I put 'belong' in inverted commas? Babies, as you know, exist from birth on - that has always been normal usage, and you cranks are just trying to change the meaning of words to bully women. Why do you think the injection of some sperm gives you slaveholder rights over a woman, and why do you think your State should support an antiquated patriarchy? Do grow up and stop this posturing: what is the USE of it?

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