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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You're damn right I do. I was one of those "wimps" who was in the danger zone, thank you very much, and it was my job by law to protect those kids.
    So it's an emotional thing, not a rational thing with you. Not surprised.
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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So it's an emotional thing, not a rational thing with you. Not surprised.
    You're the one who wants the kids to go through the meat grinder, because it mans them up, and if a kid dies in the process: too bad, he was a pussy and a coward.

    Whose position really seems out of whack with human decency?
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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    Do you think that bullying only goes on in facebook...Do you accompany your kids to school and sit with them to make sure no-one calls them nasty names??
    You're jumping to conclusions. I didn't limit internet access for them FOR NO REASON. I limited it because having it open for them and letting them use it per free will CAUSED A SERIOUS PROBLEM - SEVERAL, in fact.

    See?

    Look, as a parent you can either sit back and just not care, cross your fingers, and hope your kids turn out okay in the end, or you can be active and involved in their lives and redirect them when they're out of line. And by active and involved, I don't mean 100% on them all the time like they're a prisoner. I mean finding a balance that works, teaching them the right/wrong - and then instilling the values where you can leave them on their own and trust that they will do the right thing.

    So, what happens when you've done your best, and they don't do the right thing? You might not find out *every* time, but when you do find out (however it comes to you) then what do you do? You have to respond in some fashion. You cannot simply turn your back. What do you do? See what I did: limited net access. I have four children - some I can trust, apparently others, I cannot. Therefor - some have more freedom than others. One has none.

    I'm wondering how much I should respond in this thread - I could do two things: 1) leave my responses on this subject very vague, and just whatever and brush it off. . . or 2) detail out bullying, and how it affects people in real life, like me, and my kids (from both ends of the spectrum). . . and what we HAVE had to deal with, and how things are these days - vs how they were in the past.

    But I think I'll leave this post as it is, and just let that settle in. In life, even as a parent, you learn lessons, and one lesson I learned is that giving your kids free access to the net isn't ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA - and I don't mean "my kids were bullied, or I'm afraid they will be bullied."

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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You're the one who wants the kids to go through the meat grinder, because it mans them up, and if a kid dies in the process too bad. Whose position really seems out of whack with human decency?
    Our culture is entirely messed up because you have helicopter parents who won't allow their kids to fail or meet any adversity and when they get out on their own, they don't know how to deal with reality!

    Glad that's the kind of thing you advocate.
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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    And when schools continually allow such an environment to foster because they see it as relatively harmless, what then?
    Still partially the parents fault IMO.

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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Still partially the parents fault IMO.
    Are you going to address what I asked?
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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Our culture is entirely messed up because you have helicopter parents who won't allow their kids to fail or meet any adversity and when they get out on their own, they don't know how to deal with reality!

    Glad that's the kind of thing you advocate.
    No, the culture is messed up when independence means being asked to be subjected to school-sanctioned sadism.
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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Are you going to address what I asked?
    What you asked is not my problem. We do the private school thing and I damn well guarantee you they would not tolerate it.

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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Our culture is entirely messed up because you have helicopter parents who won't allow their kids to fail or meet any adversity and when they get out on their own, they don't know how to deal with reality!

    Glad that's the kind of thing you advocate.
    Yeesh - why is it that everyone points fingers and accuses people of being in the extreme.

    Extreme = hover-mothers who monitor their children 100% and limit life.
    Extreme = parent's who don't care, and don't even know where their kids are.

    I know no one who's either of these. In some areas being observant or concerned does not mean you are like that with every single thing, all the time. Likewise - in some areas, being unconcerned and not involved doesn't mean you are completely absent from parenting and your kid's lives entirely.

    But people always jump to these extreme conclusions. I don't get it.

    In one thread I'm accused of not caring about my kids at all - and in another I'm accused of being a hover-mother. However do I manage. LOL
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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeesh - why is it that everyone points fingers and accuses people of being in the extreme.

    Extreme = hover-mothers who monitor their children 100% and limit life.
    Extreme = parent's who don't care, and don't even know where their kids are.

    I know no one who's either of these. In some areas being observant or concerned does not mean you are like that with every single thing, all the time. Likewise - in some areas, being unconcerned and not involved doesn't mean you are completely absent from parenting and your kid's lives entirely.

    But people always jump to these extreme conclusions. I don't get it.

    In one thread I'm accused of not caring about my kids at all - and in another I'm accused of being a hover-mother. However do I manage. LOL
    Those are the extremes and I know people who fit into both extremes. My cousins are in their 40s, still live at home, have no life, have never had a serious relationship and are unable to function socially because their parents spent their entire lives telling them how perfect they are and that they cannot ever fail. They were made to feel so utterly superior to everyone else that when it came time to compete in and deal with the real world, they were totally unable to do it and completely incapable of making the adjustments necessary to deal with being an adult. As such, they're both going to spend their lives, living at home, holding down barely passable jobs, thinking they're so much better than that. There's no end to parents in the media who go completely the opposite way.

    It's the parents in the middle that don't have the problems though. They raise their children to be able to handle problems, or come to someone when they have issues they can't deal with. They don't raise doormats. Their kids don't go leaping off bridges because someone made them feel bad on Facebook. My kids think Facebook and other social media is a complete waste of time anyhow, they're too busy spending time online with their actual friends to be worried about the idiocy out there on social media sites.
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