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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sure they can. Their access to the Internet sits on my desk. I can turn it off any time I want, I can log into the router and directly turn off just their access, limit how much time they can spend there, etc. I can even look at every website they visit and read ever single thing they write if I want to. I've got all the control, if I choose to exercise it. They have none.
    Many kids could hack your attempts to control their internet access. If not, they can use their friend's computer or an internet cafe.

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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The problem is, we're raising a generation of kids who are wimps. They have no idea how to stand up for themselves, how to deal with bullies, they never learn how to take care of their own problems. We deal with the symptoms, we don't deal with the problems. That's why these kids grow up and then have no clue how to live in the real world, because they've been sheltered from anything negative their entire lives.
    I have to agree. Over-protected children don't develop inner strength. A kid who commits suicide because of an internet post surely had many other problems as well. Kids need freedom to learn social skills from interacting with their peers. They will suffer many indignities and violence, but that is part of growing up. (within reason) Over sheltered and controlled kids are the ones who tend to go wild or get depressed when they finally grow up and leave home. Our bad experiences help make us who we are.

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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Well, we're talking about kids here. They are in the process of learning how to handle problems. You and I have gone through the process and understand the techniques involved in dealing with these situations. But a kid experiencing online bullying on a daily basis does not. You can argue, why don't they just ignore these things and not indulge their bullies, however, for the same reasons we look at responses to our arguments on DP, these kids are drawn in by their curiosity to constantly keep abreast of their social status or lack thereof. The difference is that we know how to handle it, they are just learning. We don't expect kids to abide by the sink or swim mantra until 18 for the most part, why should we subject them to that online at home?
    I think some extreme situations (and daily bullying may qualify) require parental involvement, but most situations can be worked out by the kids themselves, and they will have a learning experience.

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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    While that part about punishing the students for fighting back is true, you also have a long record of denigrating kids who don't "man up."
    And you have a long history of defending kids who are wimps.
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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Many kids could hack your attempts to control their internet access. If not, they can use their friend's computer or an internet cafe.
    I'd like to see them hack my finger flipping off the router and ending all Internet access to the house.
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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'd like to see them hack my finger flipping off the router and ending all Internet access to the house.
    That probably only requires switching it back on when you are not looking.

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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And you have a long history of defending kids who are wimps.
    You're damn right I do. I was one of those "wimps" who was in the danger zone, thank you very much, and it was my job by law to protect those kids.
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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    That's part of it, but genuinely we are reacting to a deep-seated societal problem. Many of us were harassed every day, all day, and felt isolated from the whole school, without cell phones, without online bullying. Cephus's argument is that they should stand up to it and if it doesn't work, tough crap. He thinks its some coming of age rite, and it's not. It is a senseless act sanctioned by society, fit with all of the sadistic social darwinistic tendencies.
    Well, I agree that bullying is a problem...and I think it's one that it is different today than when I was a kid.

    I think physical violence in schools today is, by far, worse today than it was when I was in school..and for a variety of reasons, including the Internet.

    I wasn't a badass. I did get bullied from time to time....but I was the kind of kid that when I got overwhelmed or cornered...I'd lose it and fight. And even though I fought back, the outcome wasn't always in my favor.

    Physical bullying issues today in schools stem from teachers not having the ability to manage kid's behaviors like they once did. And it also stems from a lot of parents who can't or won't intervene in problems on behalf of the schools interests or the teachers. They're working their asses off to keep bread on the table.

    Years ago...in Texas. Superintendents of city schools were actually members of the same teacher's union...as of course teachers. There was a common bond with teacher and superintendents and superintendents did feel weren't as intimidated by parents...and really even school boards.

    That changed. Superintendents or Administers became way more beholding to boards...and no longer belonged to unions with the teachers.

    One of the primary duties of the board of education is to hire a superintendent for the district. Once the superintendent is in place, then the board of education and the superintendent should become partners. While the superintendent is the CEO of the district, the board of education provides oversight for the superintendent.

    In Texas...school board members use to be appointed by the governor. But for some time now, there are 15 board members, which are ALL elected.

    So now, when parents get pissed off because Johnny or Janie isn't being treated like they believe that they should...if the principal of a school doesn't remedy a problem like they think...they don't go to Admins or superintendents...they complain to school board members...WHO ARE ELECTED. Now the board members don't want to piss of the voters. So they tell an admin or supers to contact a principal and get the problem worked out...and in a way that doesn't piss of the voters.

    So Superintendents bend to pressure from their bosses who are elected school board members. Thus the politics of it all.

    It's a huge circle jerk.

    Now add the dynamics of cyberbullies on top of all that I just made comments on. Kids have to endure some really bad **** from the punks. And like I said before, they cyberbullies can instigate getting a lot of kids involved in hitting on one kid.

    There some really bad stuff going on.

    Until schools can impose a ZERO tolerance to violence of any kind...and back it up. I'm not sure what the answer is. Parents...are damn well responsible for the content their kids have on the net. But a kid is a kid and will bend to peer pressure. They always have, but even more so today than in my day...by a much larger margin. All is good until...kaboom they become a victim and it's brutal.

    So again...FT, dunno. No matter what, a parent must eventually stand responsible for their kids safety and well being. But the kids need to be able to be open and honest with the parents when they find themselves being a victim of a bully or bullies and/or getting chain banged by a bunch of kids who are inspired to do what they do by the bullies.

    As far as a kid physically being able to defend themselves...that is a tough issue. Who teaches the kids how to be a defensive person...to the degree that they will successfully fend off bullies? I can think of soooo many issues connected to this social problem...and it is a social problem.

    Thanks..

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    If yer kid is a wimp yer prolly a wimp so ya'll deserve what evah ya get till ya 'man up'
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    Re: Parenting and the Internet

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That probably only requires switching it back on when you are not looking.
    Unless I take it with me.
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