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Loving/hating a black President

Loving/hating a black President

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 79.3%

  • No

    Votes: 5 17.2%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 1 3.4%
  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .
jimbo said:
Who has a hard on for Carson and Cain? Not I. Both are self made men who represent much of what I believe in.
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There are posters here who certainly have a man crush for Dr. Carson.

But I'd like to know why anybody considers him a serious candidate, when what he says has been said by at least 1000 other Republicans?
 
Penderyn said:
I thought President Obama was half-and-half, even in terms the racist nutters understand. But I suppose it is like Hitler with Jews - a Jew is someone with one Jewish grandparent, who is the grandson of someone with one Jewsiish grandparent and so on back to Adam, or whoever. Why do they let the silly buggers out?
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He is one-sixth white, one-sixth black and two-thirds red. It is that red part that is the problem.
 
humbolt said:
Good afternoon to you, too. Excellent point. The idea that if not one, then the other must apply is nothing more than trolling when emotions are considered. We have a full range - those of us who remain emotionally stable. I've just been reading here today for the most part. Not much new, really, so not much to say. I'm bored, and considering actually going to work. It's finally cooling off here. That's exciting.
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Where did you get the notion that it was an "either/or" question? Some people are at either extreme, and most people are somewhere in the middle. This question only addresses the relative few who occupy the extremes.
 
radcen said:
Where did you get the notion that it was an "either/or" question? Some people are at either extreme, and most people are somewhere in the middle. This question only addresses the relative few who occupy the extremes.
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I apologize, but I think you prove my point in the bolded section. I'll also offer you another apology in that I shouldn't have posted anything at all to start with. My bad.
 
Dapper Andy said:
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Except people have no problem talking about how happy they are to vote for a black person. Even in this thread we didn't get more than just a handful of posts before we got to Pres. Obama's skin color being a happy "bonus".
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Spoken like a young person who doesn't remember white and colored water fountains.
 
humbolt said:
I apologize, but I think you prove my point in the bolded section. I'll also offer you another apology in that I shouldn't have posted anything at all to start with. My bad.
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Most people would agree that not voting for a person based solely on the basis of race would be bad, ignorant, stupid, whatever.

The opposite happens as well, yet does not get the same kind of scrutiny, and certainly not the same level of outrage or condemnation, even though the reason for doing so is virtually the same. So, I wondered if most people, and DP comprising a pretty decent cross-section, would equate the two.

I did see one post that had a good point regarding the bringing closer the issue of overall racial inequality, and that is a valid point. However, it seems to me that other than that, both extreme points-of-view ignore qualifications and competency, which... one would think... should be of primary importance.
 
radcen said:
<putting on flame-retardant suit... radcen knows the mere asking of the question will be inconvenient and off-putting to some... ok, there>

Is it just as bad to like/support a President because he's black as it is bad to dislike/not support a President because he's black?
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Yes. The person who supports Obama just because he is black and the person who dislikes Obama just because he is black are equally stupid.
 
Gardener said:
I always find it highly amusing when I point out similarities in two different highly partisan positions only to elicit comments wagging fingers at only one side while denying it for the other. If that isn't the very embodiment of partisanship, I don't know what is.

Your response in true dittohead fashion about "liberals" this and that belies any protests you might make about not being partisan.When you react to a posting that ISN'T partisan and make it one, such insincere claims become downright laughable.
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You haven't pointed out similarities in anything.

You closed your eyes, covered your ears, and began shouting "PARTISAN!" like a buffoon.

Pointing out that the liberal position on using the word nigger or whether colleges should be allowed to use race to determine enrollment varies depending on the race in question doesn't make me a partisan. You're just a buffoon who is upset at the original question which should tell us all we need to know on the subject.
 
jimbo said:
What's your point?
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My point was your comment about my comment. With more life experience you wouldn't have quoted me out of context. You might have understood what I was trying to say instead of trying to make your point misusing my words.
 
Voted yes - who cares what color he is? Seriously, who? Well, I mean beyond those who care because he's the same color as they are - but notwithstanding those people - who cares what color he is? Well, and I mean beyond those who cater to those who care he's the same color as they are - but notwithstanding those people too - who cares what color he is?
 
radcen said:
<putting on flame-retardant suit... radcen knows the mere asking of the question will be inconvenient and off-putting to some... ok, there>

Is it just as bad to like/support a President because he's black as it is bad to dislike/not support a President because he's black?
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I couldn't care less about a President's race or gender, only about his or her values and goals. That's why I didn't vote for Obama twice. He's on the wrong side of every issue I think is critical. And I was concerned about his lack of experience. That question has now been answered. The concern hasn't been put to rest, of course, but this President is arrogant, naive, and incompetent.
 
Objective Voice said:
I would disagree.

I voted for Sen. Obama because I believed he was the best candidate with the right agenda for the country coming into the 2008 presidency. It is unfortunate, however, that he's had to deal with so many problematic issues that I don't believe any President has had to deal with since FDR. (Frankly, I think the only reason the country really hasn't bounced back fully is because the opposition hasn't been forced to decide which side of the social/moral issues they truly support, or to put it bluntly "the wealth-class and corporate America or the people-at-large". But I'll save that for another debate where I can articulate my views better and in more detail. As for the point of the thread...)

Certainly I recognized that Sen. Obama was Black, but I believed him to be the most "credible and qualified" Black candidate to come along in a long time since Shirly Chisholm (1972 Democratic Party Nominee)...still do. (Can't stand Jesse Jackson, Sr. but between Chisholm and Obama, that's all most African Americans had to identify with as a "viable" presidential candidate.) So, yes, I support this President. And yes, I think he's made some mistakes. But in the grand scheme of things I give him credit where credit is do and am not too quick to jump on him if "change" or improvements in the overall state of domestic issues doesn't come quickly enough or exactly the way I'd like them to be.

I'm wise enough to know that the President is only the "image" for the country and sets the country's agenda throughout his term. Congress represents the people. And, thus, there is always a "process" to invoke change. And sometimes that process is very slooooow...more often than not it's made that way on purpose due to all sorts of political wrangling that sometimes purposefully bogs down the wheels of progression.
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What are you disagreeing with me on?
 
specklebang said:
My point was your comment about my comment. With more life experience you wouldn't have quoted me out of context. You might have understood what I was trying to say instead of trying to make your point misusing my words.
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I didn't quote you at all. I don't get what water fountains have to do with elections, but I am 76. I rermember a lot of things.

I didn't vote for Obama because I did not like his ideas. I will make my vote in the next election based on ideas and believeabiity.
 
radcen said:
<putting on flame-retardant suit... radcen knows the mere asking of the question will be inconvenient and off-putting to some... ok, there>

Is it just as bad to like/support a President because he's black as it is bad to dislike/not support a President because he's black?
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The correct answer to that is "no," and if you answered "yes," you are wrong.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of a black president, given the history of our country. It shows how far we have come. There is nothing wrong with wanting the first black president to succeed.

If you dislike the prez just because he is black, yes you are a racist.

To totally different and non-equatable scenarios.
 
jimbo said:
I didn't quote you at all. I don't get what water fountains have to do with elections, but I am 76. I rermember a lot of things.

I didn't vote for Obama because I did not like his ideas. I will make my vote in the next election based on ideas and believeabiity.
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Ah, Jimbo, I see the confusion. I was "talking" to Dapper Andy, not you. So, we're confused. S'all good.

I bet you do, being 6 years older than me.
 
Peter Grimm said:
The correct answer to that is "no," and if you answered "yes," you are wrong.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of a black president, given the history of our country. It shows how far we have come. There is nothing wrong with wanting the first black president to succeed.

If you dislike the prez just because he is black, yes you are a racist.

To totally different and non-equatable scenarios.
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What if I dislike him because of his ideology? What if I dislike him because of his policies? What if I dislike him because he dislikes this nation and the principles on which it was founded?

I answered "Yes" because I could care less what color he is - and there's absolutely NOTHING wrong with caring less what color he is. Moreover, if you answered "NO" because you DO care what color he is - that'd be abjectly racist.
 
Peter Grimm said:
The correct answer to that is "no," and if you answered "yes," you are wrong.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of a black president, given the history of our country. It shows how far we have come. There is nothing wrong with wanting the first black president to succeed.

If you dislike the prez just because he is black, yes you are a racist.

To totally different and non-equatable scenarios.
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You are clearly unqualified to assess the correct answer, as you are clearly unable to even discern the question.

There is nothing wrong with being proud of a black President. There is nothing wrong with wanting a black President to succeed. Those are points from the middle. Those are points that virtually anyone who votes for or against any candidate based on qualifications or issues would want in their country's leader. Those are points that even a person who voted against a candidate, and is concerned with the well-being of their country first, would want from their President.

Then, you go on to ignore... willfully, IMO... one of the extremes, which is the point of the original question, and highlight only the other extreme and point out that disliking a candidate just because he is black would be wrong. Ok, but can you, or will you, answer the other side of the question: Is it wrong to like a President just because he is black?
 
humbolt said:
Those damn immigrant dogs. Can't trust 'em. Never appreciate anything. We're still in short sleeved shirts down here, but it'll be in the upper 40's tonight. My kind of weather. The garden was a disaster this year, so I'm anxious to move on. I'm skipping a fall garden entirely and preparing for next year's effort. Grackles moved through here later than usual, and ate nearly all the raspberries in 24 hours - they're like locust. Deer ate the eggplant, a lot of the pepper and tomato blooms, and just about everything else they could. Looks like I'll be eating Bambi this winter as payback. I'm thinking about a few peregrine falcons or coopers hawks to take care of the Grackles. This is war.
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I had peaches left on the trees that I didn't use, so I was going to pick them and take them to our local Haven of Rest charity, who feed meals to hungry people every day. When I went to pick them, there were none there. Huh? My neighbor called me that evening to tell me she and her mom watched from her kitchen window while a family of deer ate every peach right off the tree! I can't guess out what they did with the pits! I figure maybe they used to live in your area, and saw how easy it was to *spit*? :lamo: Anyway, I don't really mind, cause I can send money to the charity...and our neighborhood protects those deer like family members. We put food out for them in the Winter, and they keep the fruit that falls to the ground cleaned up, and hunting is not allowed in our area, so they're fat and happy! :thumbs:

My garden was a disaster this year, too. I think it drowned with all the rain we had! I did get some asparagus this Spring, and lots of green peppers, Italian parsley and cabbage in the past few weeks, and a few tomatoes are still ripening, but that's it, except for the blackberries, and they are producing like crazy! Broccoli bolted from one day to the next, so that was a loss. Oh well, there's always next year to pit our wits against the 4-legged critters and the birds!
 
To be completely honest of my black friends and relatives I can't think of any who "love" him because he's black. Most are "proud" that there is a black president. Out of a sense of pride they want him to be successful as Jews might be proud if a son of Holocaust survivors were to become Chancellor of Germany one day in consideration of their unique history coupled with seeing the country that once persecuted them has changed so much that although still a minority group elected a Jew to its highest office. I do not think however that race alone swayed their vote since I'm not aware of any whatsoever who supported Al Sharpton for President when he ran. If they voted for Obama, and some did not although they're still proud of the history that was made, they would have voted for any democrat nominee for President.

Of my white friends I can't think of any who "hate" him. Some like him due to his liberal policies, not race. Some don't support him due to his liberal policies. Most who dislike him especially with high levels of passion where there's absolutely nothing they can appreciate about him and if there is something they could appreciate, they'd change their position just to oppose him, I get the sense do so out of team loyalty to the current pundit driven conservative culture in America. I really don't know anybody personally who I think loves or hates Obama because of race.

Do I know people who have pride in America and for their black heritage because of his race? Yes, but nothing that swayed their vote or they would have also voted for Al Sharpton and Alan Keyes. I do have many white friends who THINK blacks voted for him just because of race and I have many black friends who THINK conservatives hate him because he's black. I think there are those who do love or hate him because of race, but I think they are few in number.
 
radcen said:
<putting on flame-retardant suit... radcen knows the mere asking of the question will be inconvenient and off-putting to some... ok, there>

Is it just as bad to like/support a President because he's black as it is bad to dislike/not support a President because he's black?
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He's not just black, his mommy was white. Unfortunately, she apparently didn't support abortion.
 
My question about Rush Limbaugh got flushed in the post # 50s area yesterday.
Check post #71 if you want to see something from the (not quite) right that seems to be okay around here but not the other way.

radcen said:
<putting on flame-retardant suit... radcen knows the mere asking of the question will be inconvenient and off-putting to some... ok, there>

Is it just as bad to like/support a President because he's black as it is bad to dislike/not support a President because he's black?
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DVSentinel said:
He's not just black, his mommy was white. Unfortunately, she apparently didn't support abortion.
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Well, at least we have a very direct example of hatred.
 
My opinions on Barry have nothing to do with his race, but with his policies and governing methods.
 
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