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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Much as I think Islamophobes are akin to racists, no I would not ban such a thing.

    Overall I don't see the point of it, as much as I detest religion... I have never felt the need to desecrate anyone's holy book.

    I just don't have the time, the inclination, the boredom or the hatred in my heart to do so.

    I just remembered this for the first time since the Terry Jones controversy. In the Old Testament and maybe the New Testament too, I vaguely recall seeing something commanding people to burn the religious articles of certain faiths. I need to look it up. This should NOT be interpreted as me suggesting inciting Muslims is a good thing to do.
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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    But then, what is the point?

    This is where it gets tricky, admittedly. I have a hard time buying into the notion that we are fighting for *our* freedoms. We're not literally defending our country... though maybe we are, in a round-about sense. Personally, I believe we should pull out immediately and completely, but for different reasons this this issue.

    Be that as it may, freedom of speech and expression is not conditional or situational. You either have it or you don't. You either defend it or you don't. Sometimes it will be inconvenient and less-than-satisfying. That's how flag burning (in our own country) is to me. (I don't give a rat's arse if someone in another country burns our flag.) I detest the thought, but would defend the right of others to do so. It's not just about me, or even the individual defending said freedoms, it's about the whole thing as a concept.

    We won't like the where the road leads if we start cherry-picking which speech is acceptable and which is not, no matter how we justify or rationalize it. Essentially, we defend the actions of those which are abhorrent to us so that, when it's our turn to protest, we can do so as well.
    I have the same feeling when it comes to whether or not we are fighting for our freedoms over there. I see it as the US running security while TRYING to stabilze a region that has major issues. I agree that we should pull out of the region. We never played the game the way it should have been played, but that is another topic.

    I am not sure freedom of speech is unconditional and it can be situational. Yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire is illegal for obvious reasons. People can be hurt. I look at this action the same way. I don't want speech to be stifled. I want people to be able to express themselves however they want. I think it is pert of what made this country great. And even though these young men and women signed up for and knew they could be injured or killed, I think we should do whatever small things we can to keep them as safe as possible or get out of the region.

    I do also believe cherry picking is not good and eventually erodes freedoms, that's why I would not say a ban should be in place, but discouragement should be applied.

    By the way I would like to say thanks for the respectful replies.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    That's your choice! How would you feel if your burning the Quran resulted in confirmed killings of our troops. Those idiots over there are looking for any reason to justify their actions. Most times they don't even need a reason. I am not prepared to give them a reason over a book being burned. If we are going to give them a reason , let it be from attacking the radicals that cause the problems.
    I have a novel idea...let's leave the middle east, then we don't have to worry about that! There have been 65 deaths recorded from terrorist involvement on American soil since 9/11, wikileaks revealed that the United States involvement in Iraq alone has cause over 66,000 civilian deaths there. Who is the bad guy? If you had a foreign nation on your front lawn telling you who the bad guys are, telling you how to govern your country you would be pissed off too. Ever think to consider that the United States is FUELING this hatred. When the United States blows something up it is in the name of freedom, no matter the collateral damage. When a Muslim does it it is an act of terrorism.
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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm already on record with this. Burning books, flags, even religious books is protected speech under the First Amendment.
    Precisely this, end of discussion.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Being an asshole is covered under the first amendment.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I have a novel idea...let's leave the middle east, then we don't have to worry about that! There have been 65 deaths recorded from terrorist involvement on American soil since 9/11, wikileaks revealed that the United States involvement in Iraq alone has cause over 66,000 civilian deaths there. Who is the bad guy? If you had a foreign nation on your front lawn telling you who the bad guys are, telling you how to govern your country you would be pissed off too. Ever think to consider that the United States is FUELING this hatred. When the United States blows something up it is in the name of freedom, no matter the collateral damage. When a Muslim does it it is an act of terrorism.
    You wont get an argument out of me on this. I have been saying it for a while now. I believe it may be for different reason's than you have given, but I am with you all the same. Bring em all home.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    You wont get an argument out of me on this. I have been saying it for a while now. I believe it may be for different reason's than you have given, but I am with you all the same. Bring em all home.
    Yes, it's not like jihadi terrorists would ever think of attacking the US at home, right?

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Yes, it's not like jihadi terrorists would ever think of attacking the US at home, right?
    If we are going to put the troops at further risk over burning a book then yeah bring them home. As far as being attacked at home, unless we figure out our immigration issues you can plan on more of that. By the looks of things that doesn't seem to be something we are willing to do. Things have calmed down tremendously in that region over the past few years, why ramp it back up over a book burning over here. If the guy want's to prove his point let him go over there and do it.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    You wont get an argument out of me on this. I have been saying it for a while now. I believe it may be for different reason's than you have given, but I am with you all the same. Bring em all home.
    I'm glad you agree, not trying to get into an argument, just making my point it doesnt matter if we aren't there
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