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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    In their eyes and in those of their sympathizers Western aid, missionaries, vaccination campaigns, etc. are every bit as outrageous and unacceptable as burning the koran.
    But I bet it's not outrageous to the people receiving the aid. Otherwise they would reject it and their would be no further need to be there. What does burning their book gain, self gratification? I do however know giving aid does some good.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    But I bet it's not outrageous to the people receiving the aid. Otherwise they would reject it and their would be no further need to be there. What does burning their book gain, self gratification? I do however know giving aid does some good.
    You are completely missing the point about our essential freedoms. Do you feel that everything should be discouraged which you feel doesn't do any good?

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    I'm sorry, but you are advocating caving in to people who hate everything about our Western values and society and who will continue to kill Western soldiers (and others) until they have eradicated us. The idea you can somehow appease them is ludicrous.
    Not trying to appease them. Trying to keep our troops safe, and if we are not prepared to do something as simple as refraining from burning a book well then we should pull our people from those areas and let the burning begin. Leave me out of it though. I don't have anything to gain by tearing down someone's faith. I couldn't care less what the radicals think, it's what the people over there we are trying to help think. All the good we do can be over turned by a book burning. Very trivial in the grand scheme of things. I am trying to look at the big picture here as in why do we stay there if we are not trying to make things better for the people who want our help? If we were trying to show them that we are a super power and can do whatever we want, we should have just leveled the place and been done with it.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    It's not just a pissing match over "a book", it's the very foundation of who we are and what we want OUR society to be like. (Just as they would say the same thing, I'm sure.)
    So you are saying every freedom we enjoy in this country, every war we fought , every soldier who died in battle was so we could burn a holy book that the majority of our country doesn't follow? I guess we have a major difference in opinion on what this country is about. That's ok though, that is one of the freedoms we enjoy.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    So you are saying every freedom we enjoy in this country, every war we fought , every soldier who died in battle was so we could burn a holy book that the majority of our country doesn't follow? I guess we have a major difference in opinion on what this country is about. That's ok though, that is one of the freedoms we enjoy.
    Are you purposely choosing to view the issue as regarding the burning of a particular book only, or do you really not see the broader issue?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    You are completely missing the point about our essential freedoms. Do you feel that everything should be discouraged which you feel doesn't do any good?
    Maybe I have not made myself clear. I do understand we have the right to do this. I can even understand the hatred some may have for the book in question. I def understand the mindset of the radicals who would kill me if they had the chance. I would like to remove all of those types from the globe.

    What I am trying to say is this. We don't send the troops out to battle with no ammunition. We send them with ammo because it makes the job easier. If we can make their job easier by not burning a book then I say lets do it. Once we have them home then if you want to burn them be my guest. I want no part of it.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I did a poll on this about 2 years ago but since the arrest of Terry Jones has brought the issue back to the forefront and we have a number of members who weren't here then, I thought I'd ask it again.


    If legislation were proposed making it illegal to burn or destroy the Quran (at least publicly) would you support it?


    Incidentally, the first time I asked this, the "no" vote won overwhelmingly. I'm curious if the results will be largely the same.

    Poll on the way.
    As long as flag burning is legal and protected a free speech so to is burning of the Koran.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    NO
    Hell no !!
    But, legislation to ban disrespect and intolerance ...thinkable...worthy of discussion....and this it....
    And, a law to have ethics, morals taught in our schools....also a good subject , ect....

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Are you purposely choosing to view the issue as regarding the burning of a particular book only, or do you really not see the broader issue?


    No I totally get what your position is. What I am saying is even though we have that freedom of expression, does it mean we should use it to incite violence on our troops? If you want to burn a bible go ahead. That's your right to do it and it's doubtful our troops will be harmed because of it. I don't agree with it but I would honor your right to do so. If you want to burn our flag go ahead. As much is it pains me to see our country's flag burned, it's your right. I am sure there would be plenty of radicals to jump in and join you. Again leave me out of it.

    I served this country proudly and still have friends that serve. Maybe it's me being selfish , but I would rather they were not made a martyr over a book none of them follow so someone else can prove a point.

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    Re: Would You Support Legislation that Would Ban Burning/Destroying the Quran?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Racer View Post
    No I totally get what your position is. What I am saying is even though we have that freedom of expression, does it mean we should use it to incite violence on our troops? If you want to burn a bible go ahead. That's your right to do it and it's doubtful our troops will be harmed because of it. I don't agree with it but I would honor your right to do so. If you want to burn our flag go ahead. As much is it pains me to see our country's flag burned, it's your right. I am sure there would be plenty of radicals to jump in and join you. Again leave me out of it.

    I served this country proudly and still have friends that serve. Maybe it's me being selfish , but I would rather they were not made a martyr over a book none of them follow so someone else can prove a point.
    But then, what is the point?

    This is where it gets tricky, admittedly. I have a hard time buying into the notion that we are fighting for *our* freedoms. We're not literally defending our country... though maybe we are, in a round-about sense. Personally, I believe we should pull out immediately and completely, but for different reasons this this issue.

    Be that as it may, freedom of speech and expression is not conditional or situational. You either have it or you don't. You either defend it or you don't. Sometimes it will be inconvenient and less-than-satisfying. That's how flag burning (in our own country) is to me. (I don't give a rat's arse if someone in another country burns our flag.) I detest the thought, but would defend the right of others to do so. It's not just about me, or even the individual defending said freedoms, it's about the whole thing as a concept.

    We won't like the where the road leads if we start cherry-picking which speech is acceptable and which is not, no matter how we justify or rationalize it. Essentially, we defend the actions of those which are abhorrent to us so that, when it's our turn to protest, we can do so as well.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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