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Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed? [W:83]

Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

  • Yes he does

    Votes: 12 38.7%
  • He's mostly right, but not on everything

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • Kinda...not always

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • Not really

    Votes: 7 22.6%
  • No, stay out of our affairs!

    Votes: 2 6.5%

  • Total voters
    31
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

This sounds like the two Pauls. Do you agree with Ron Puke that America triggered 9/11? How about Rank Paul as a sitting Senator giving aid and comfort to the enemy by praising Pootin over Obama in public? They both need to go to Russia and try slamming Pootin in public. Traitors both.

Iraq Embargo. This was the main point of contention that Al Qaeda had with the US.

In the 1998 fatwa, Al Qaeda identified the Iraq sanctions as a reason to kill Americans: "despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation....On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims: The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies—civilians and military—is an individual duty for every Muslim..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks#Sanctions_imposed_against_Iraq
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

please correct your post...the second quote is not mine...

I didn't say it was yours. In fact, there is a link below that quote implying that the quote is from Wikipedia.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

Continue to ignore the daily barrage against the President of the USA. It continues to be initiated by the (not-quite) right-wing machine in the media and in Congress. I've lost count of how many f right-wings there are, trying to destroy this Presidency, their words.
Bus...tank...either way no one 'threw' Obama anywhere. He took a running leap all of his own accord.
Treason...like...getting in bed with AlQaida?

FM
Is this the same al Qaeda as in 2001? Or are they missing over three dozen leaders? Don't start giving Obama any credit now. That would change your MO.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

Putin is in his best position on his career regarding foreign relationship.

He made himself to look more diplomatic than Obama.
While, no one used to offer a peace plan, he came up throwing it in table and achieved it as his own victory.

To the world, it look like Putin has no fear of Obama, he can stand his warships in front of US warships.
He can irritate Obama at any moment and push him to call him "kid", which is far away from the diplomatic speech of a US president speech. Yea, I used to hear child speech from Russians too, but that's normal to me because they are Russians. That's how they talk.
He can push Obama to ask for congress vote (since I doubt Obama would go for an attack without having at least a congress authorization, considering that Russian warships are there and dancing). And now seems like he is pushing Obama back.
Obama now in 2 bad situations.
If US would not attack the Syria, it will definitely look like the Russia was right when appealing to US and in every statement they gave about Syria. And yes, like it or not, after many decades, Russia may look stronger than US on "TV".
If Obama choose to attack (no matter what) he will look more bad to the rest of world, even to its allies. Because an offer is in table and it's so no sense to go and throw missiles there now.


Obama should have tried all the chances which are deniable, in order to start an attack.
UN . Yes it look no sense since Russia and China would veto, but at least he should have tried to get an authorization. Ignoring UN isn't a good idea and specially EU does not like it.
The offer that Russians made, would have come from Obama. I am sure that Russia and Syria would have deny it on that case.
After trying all possible chances, he would have start to ask for the support of its allies.

Obama started to seek for allies support at early, indeed very early. He started from the last point.
British parliament was held so fast, no one knew what was going about, what they are going to do there. There was no plan for no one. And British couldn't take that stupid risk. Indeed they voted well and many applause them.

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Bush was bad, but Putin couldn't dare to play with him, and he could have never put him as in Obama's situation.
If Putin is getting credits on each statement/speech of his, it is not because suddenly he become wiser.
Simple as many US believe, it is because Obama is an easy player.
His next steps are so predictable by Putin.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

That is not how multi-quotes work on DP.
I didn't say it was yours. In fact, there is a link below that quote implying that the quote is from Wikipedia.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

Continue to ignore the daily barrage against the President of the USA. It continues to be initiated by the (not-quite) right-wing machine in the media and in Congress. I've lost count of how many f right-wings there are, trying to destroy this Presidency, their words.

Well, they are making better statements that Obama does deserve his position.
No one can make better statements to prove the otherwise.

If politicians are trying to destroy the president, sure the people would save him. In all history, on each presidential country, the president was always supported in bad moments.
Looks like Obama does not have the support of the people anymore. And honestly, he does not to make proper speeches to the people imo. I was too curious to hear Bush talking. He was bad, maybe more than Obama, but was a good actor on speeches.
With Obama, it looks like I know what he is going to say, so I don't even bother to watch him, because his words seems to be the same on each speech. He is not a good actor.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

I so blame the western media for all this. They got privatized and were dumbing down the nation while Putin was increasing his through RT. The task to air only what was considered newsworthy to the western laypeople decreased the quality of content of the media as well as it ghettoed the topics mostly to mention issues that occur in USA.

Western media got lazy, RT got stronger, these are the results! Worse may happen if things do not change!
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

Well, they are making better statements that Obama does deserve his position.
No one can make better statements to prove the otherwise.

If politicians are trying to destroy the president, sure the people would save him. In all history, on each presidential country, the president was always supported in bad moments.
Looks like Obama does not have the support of the people anymore. And honestly, he does not to make proper speeches to the people imo. I was too curious to hear Bush talking. He was bad, maybe more than Obama, but was a good actor on speeches.
With Obama, it looks like I know what he is going to say, so I don't even bother to watch him, because his words seems to be the same on each speech. He is not a good actor.

What if all this was done so as to show the minorities in USA that leading a country is difficult?
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

What if all this was done so as to show the minorities in USA that leading a country is difficult?

Obama used to lie many times to US people.
Lately with the Red Line. He removed any responsibility of it, and throwing it to the international and the people. He showed himself as weak, not the media.
A true leader, never back his words, no matter what.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

America is exceptional, did you hear Obama finally admit I the other day? I thought his head was going to explode. :lol:

He's being using American exceptionalist rhetoric since he first started the job, really. Besides the one occasion where he buckled, he uses it quite frequently.

No, Putin doesn't really have a point. Having the international community work at it is a laudable goal, but Putin is just stretching his authority to sucker both American conservatives and liberals into thinking he's on the side of prudence.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

Do you support our papers and media and loyal opposition trashing Obama and doing what Putins' Soviet citizens would never dream of, giving the two leaders a different persona on the World stage.

It is appropriate for US citizens to criticize the President when they think his policies are wrong. But the President deserves respect.

Putin certainly is entitled to his opinion, but I'd rather that US newspapers didn't give him a forum to express them. He can have his opinion pieces published in Russian papers.

The editors of the New York Times apparently think of themselves as citizens of the word, loyal to no particular country. It's a bad attitude.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

Obama used to lie many times to US people.
Lately with the Red Line. He removed any responsibility of it, and throwing it to the international and the people. He showed himself as weak, not the media.
A true leader, never back his words, no matter what.

But instead of favoring their own president the media is portraying Putin as more competent than what he is?
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

Well, they are making better statements that Obama does deserve his position.
No one can make better statements to prove the otherwise.

If politicians are trying to destroy the president, sure the people would save him. In all history, on each presidential country, the president was always supported in bad moments.
Looks like Obama does not have the support of the people anymore. And honestly, he does not to make proper speeches to the people imo. I was too curious to hear Bush talking. He was bad, maybe more than Obama, but was a good actor on speeches.
With Obama, it looks like I know what he is going to say, so I don't even bother to watch him, because his words seems to be the same on each speech. He is not a good actor.

When has Obama ever had your support? Bush invaded Iraq with 200,000 troops and directly caused the deaths of more Americans than Bin Laden. His finest moment in a speech was "Bring it on" when he invited Alqeada to maim and kill Americans with IED's in Iraq. You supported that but not a peaceful removal of chemical weapons from Syria? Obama does not want to kill 1000's more Americans like Bush and that seems to be your problem with him now.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

Continue to ignore the daily barrage against the President of the USA. It continues to be initiated by the (not-quite) right-wing machine in the media and in Congress. I've lost count of how many f right-wings there are, trying to destroy this Presidency, their words.Is this the same al Qaeda as in 2001? Or are they missing over three dozen leaders? Don't start giving Obama any credit now. That would change your MO.
The same Al Qaida that is murdering people in villages and towns across the middle east...why yes...yes it is. Obama gets props for pulling the trigger on the Osama mission...and I gave him props for that. That doesnt make Al Qaida NOT an enemy today...are you ****ing kidding me? Did you really type that????

geeeeeeezus
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

Among his arguments:

-The UN must be allowed to work.

Sure it should. Maybe Putin should have come up with this idea before Obama threatened force. Seems like diplomacy only moves anywhere with a tangible military threat.

-Attacking Syria will destabilize the region

We're looking at the biggest refugee crisis since WW2. How more destabilised can it get?

-The opposition used chemical weapons, not Assad

This appears to be increasingly unlikely when looking at the evidence backing as Assad chem argument or a rebel chem argument. The only realistic alternative to an Assad chem is a rogue general of his, which doesn't make him look all that good.

-Diplomacy must be used instead of force

Refer to point one. This diplomatic solution he's scrambled for came after a threat of force.

-America is not exceptional

The place or the people?
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

And I will continue to type this stuff until our MSM and loyal opposition stops giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Never before have they been the Enemy Within as now. You must agree with Ron Paul blaming the USA for triggering the 9/11 attack. Or Rand Paul embracing Rand Paul and Putin.
The same Al Qaida that is murdering people in villages and towns across the middle east...why yes...yes it is. Obama gets props for pulling the trigger on the Osama mission...and I gave him props for that. That doesnt make Al Qaida NOT an enemy today...are you ****ing kidding me? Did you really type that????

geeeeeeezus
 
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Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

And I will continue to type this stuff until our MSM and loyal opposition stops giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Never before have they been the Enemy Within as now. You must agree with Ron Paul blaming the USA for triggering the 9/11 attack. Or Rand Paul embracing Rand Paul and Putin.
I "must"? :lamo You keep adding 2 + oranges and making it = pretty pink flowers. This isnt about Rand Paul, Ron Paul, or Peter Paul and Mary. This is about your boy putting on the red wig nose and clown shoes every time he opens his mouth on the world stage.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

We are an exceptional Nation.
Mr. Putin stumbled on his next move in Chess after the Obama gambit Tuesday night.
The 40% of Americans in the MIDDLE don't appreciate this anti-American garbage from PUTIN in response to Mr. Obama's speech.
If you don't think we're exceptional, join the two Pauls and PUTIN. Even CRUZ won't touch this.

I "must"? :lamo You keep adding 2 + oranges and making it = pretty pink flowers. This isnt about Rand Paul, Ron Paul, or Peter Paul and Mary. This is about your boy putting on the red wig nose and clown shoes every time he opens his mouth on the world stage.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

In an Op-Ed in the New York Times, Putin bypassed diplomatic channels and spoke directly to the American people.

Among his arguments:

-The UN must be allowed to work.
-Attacking Syria will destabilize the region
-The opposition used chemical weapons, not Assad
-Diplomacy must be used instead of force
-America is not exceptional

How much of his argument holds some water, and how much is BS?

It might be my biased opinion since I AM American but the only part there that is BS is the part I bolded.

The rest is either true or unknown and/or just opinion.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

unless Reagan or another Red were POTUS
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

..It is worse than the USSR since it is NOW. You don't get to call it endless and dark and disappointing and then make light of it, though you did...

As they say, all morality rests on the sense of proportion. The USSR was a totalitarian nightmare for its captives and an existential threat for the rest of world. The Putin's Russia is merely a corrupt, occasionally oppressive state that maintains patronage over some thuggish regimes, like the Syrian Baathists.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

You should ask Israel whether they think PUTIN is a Russian or a Soviet?
PUTIN is arming multiple terrorist Nations within easy reach of Israel, no matter what you think of Israel.
ASSad denied there were WMDs before Obama forced PUTIN to force ASSad to admit he would give up his WMDs.
And now Repub pols back-track after PUTIN's mistake with exceptionalism.
As they say, all morality rests on the sense of proportion. The USSR was a totalitarian nightmare for its captives and an existential threat for the rest of world. The Putin's Russia is merely a corrupt, occasionally oppressive state that maintains patronage over some thuggish regimes, like the Syrian Baathists.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

You mean your straw man? Nah, you keep it.

It's funny how you think you're ahead after all you've done is belittle me and show you have no understanding of the topic.

I'm not waiting on your magic Hezbollah idea.
 
Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

It's funny how you think you're ahead after all you've done is belittle me and show you have no understanding of the topic.

I'm not waiting on your magic Hezbollah idea.

Ah ta ta...:naughty

We're done, remember?
 
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