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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You'll have to excuse me Please.
    I'm just a little upset at the "enemy within" at this moment.
    Lots of us see Obama as the enemy within

    or even the Fungus Among US



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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    In an Op-Ed in the New York Times, Putin bypassed diplomatic channels and spoke directly to the American people.

    Among his arguments:

    -The UN must be allowed to work.
    -Attacking Syria will destabilize the region
    -The opposition used chemical weapons, not Assad
    -Diplomacy must be used instead of force
    -America is not exceptional

    How much of his argument holds some water, and how much is BS?
    Most, if not all of it is BS.

    -UN must be allowed to work: Because it's worked so well thus far? So far all it's done is document the carnage of the civil war. Funny coming from Russia which has blocked most resolutions on Syria.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/wo...anted=all&_r=0
    Russia blocks UN condemnation of Syrian fighting | The Times of Israel
    Russia, China Block Another U.N. Resolution On Syria : NPR
    -Attacking Syria will destabilize the region: Probably wouldn't destabilize it more than it already is other than backing Iran into a corner and hurting other Russian interests
    -The opposition used chem weapons: Unfortunately, we the general public can never know this for certain. It is something that we have to rely on our gov't for accurate info.
    -Diplomacy must be used instead of force: Again, we've been trying that since the beginning. Unfortunately our foreign policy with regard to Syria has been a mess since the beginning, but the UN hasn't helped much
    -America is not exceptional: BS. Sure, we have our fair share of problems like any other country, but overall we are an exceptional country. I would say the cliche when politicians use the phrase is exceptionally lame.

    This thing by Putin is ridiculous. It is an outright appeal to Americans to belittle themselves (which plenty are willing to do). This deal thing is extremely shaky and is probably more of a delaying tactic than anything else so Russia, Iran, and Syria have more time to figure out what to do and make preparations.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    -The UN must be allowed to work.
    Apparently the UN was not needed when he decided to conquer Chechnya and when he decided to launch a war against Georgia.
    -Attacking Syria will destabilize the region
    I don't think anyone would argue that selling arms to Assad helped to create a more stable situation in Syria.
    -The opposition used chemical weapons, not Assad
    Israeli, American, French, and British intelligence all seems to disagree with that
    -Diplomacy must be used instead of force
    I would agree, but the usage of chemical weapons is not the only important issue here. Assad has been waging unrestricted warfare against his own people for two years now in order to prevent his toppling. Furthermore, we have interests at stake in Syria - the weakening of Iran, the removal of a dictator who has sponsored terrorists in Iraq and Lebanon to undermine us and Israel, respectively; as well as others - and so long as the harm done to human dignity is not disproportionate to the potential benefits of military action, I see no problem with doing whatever is necessary to promote our interests.
    -America is not exceptional
    No country is better than any other country. However, American democracy is not only exceptional, but it is vastly superior to Baathist (aka National Socialist) ideology.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Your "boy" Pootin, as you called Obama a "boy" is winning because of the enemy within, the GOP. Own it.
    That kind of thinking would be equal to someone stating the DNC launching a Carlos Danger aka Anthony Weiner action figure to be sold and proceeds to fund the Republican War on Women.



    Obama looks weak because he is. The only good thing that has come out of this mess is we finally hear John Kerry blame someone else for atrocities other than our soldiers.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    No country is better than any other country. However, American democracy is not only exceptional, but it is vastly superior to Baathist (aka National Socialist) ideology.
    It's also vastly superior to American liberal "internationalist socialist" ideology.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    1. The U.N. can work, but it's those in the Security Council that act like little children, including Russia and the United States, ruin it.
    2. U.S. Intervention can cause the Middle East to explode, with Iran and other countries joining in the fray. Risking that alone, is not worth it.
    3. If you say we should rely on the government to make the right choice, I remind you that the news hyped about Saddam using chemical weapons on his people and had WMDs, That turned out to be a big lie.
    4. All that I have heard from the President is, We should bomb this and bomb that, not very often have I heard, lets talk this out. He pushes for immediate force, not thinking very much into the problem at all.
    5.The U.S. is just a normal country like everybody else, we shouldn't disregard another countries sovereignty just to further our agenda.
    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Most, if not all of it is BS.

    -UN must be allowed to work: Because it's worked so well thus far? So far all it's done is document the carnage of the civil war. Funny coming from Russia which has blocked most resolutions on Syria.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/wo...anted=all&_r=0
    Russia blocks UN condemnation of Syrian fighting | The Times of Israel
    Russia, China Block Another U.N. Resolution On Syria : NPR
    -Attacking Syria will destabilize the region: Probably wouldn't destabilize it more than it already is other than backing Iran into a corner and hurting other Russian interests
    -The opposition used chem weapons: Unfortunately, we the general public can never know this for certain. It is something that we have to rely on our gov't for accurate info.
    -Diplomacy must be used instead of force: Again, we've been trying that since the beginning. Unfortunately our foreign policy with regard to Syria has been a mess since the beginning, but the UN hasn't helped much
    -America is not exceptional: BS. Sure, we have our fair share of problems like any other country, but overall we are an exceptional country. I would say the cliche when politicians use the phrase is exceptionally lame.

    This thing by Putin is ridiculous. It is an outright appeal to Americans to belittle themselves (which plenty are willing to do). This deal thing is extremely shaky and is probably more of a delaying tactic than anything else so Russia, Iran, and Syria have more time to figure out what to do and make preparations.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    He makes some valid points. I believe that intervining in the area is certainly the responsibility of the international community. Simply due to the fact that chemical weapons have been used. It would actually be less concerning if the Syrian government had used them but the charge that rebel forces used them is much more alarming and much more a reason for the international community to be involved. This means that somewhere, someone is either selling government weapons to the rebels, or they are unsecured weapons stolen from the government. We can't have these weapons loose and in the hands of rebel groups who often don't abide by international laws.

    However, the solution is certainly not lobbing missiles into syria to destabalize the government. We would be repeating the mistake we made in Iraq by destroying what little infrastructure, law and order there is in syria and leaving a vacume which insurgents from outside the region are going to take advantage of. The syrian government may be tyranical, but what would replace it in the event we destroy its ability to fend off the likes of AQ and the remnents of the Taliban? The only military intervention that would be successful would be a full invasion with boots on the ground. Anything other than that will simply be ineffective and more damaging then just leaving it the way it is.
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    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    It's also vastly superior to American liberal "internationalist socialist" ideology.
    I honestly don't know what this means, but exporting capitalist republicanism is hardly "internationalist socialist ideology," if that's what you're getting at.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Apparently the UN was not needed when he decided to conquer Chechnya and when he decided to launch a war against Georgia.

    I don't think anyone would argue that selling arms to Assad helped to create a more stable situation in Syria.

    Israeli, American, French, and British intelligence all seems to disagree with that
    Not to mention that of the Israelis, better than all of the above.

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