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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    America is exceptional, did you hear Obama finally admit I the other day? I thought his head was going to explode.
    He's being using American exceptionalist rhetoric since he first started the job, really. Besides the one occasion where he buckled, he uses it quite frequently.

    No, Putin doesn't really have a point. Having the international community work at it is a laudable goal, but Putin is just stretching his authority to sucker both American conservatives and liberals into thinking he's on the side of prudence.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Do you support our papers and media and loyal opposition trashing Obama and doing what Putins' Soviet citizens would never dream of, giving the two leaders a different persona on the World stage.
    It is appropriate for US citizens to criticize the President when they think his policies are wrong. But the President deserves respect.

    Putin certainly is entitled to his opinion, but I'd rather that US newspapers didn't give him a forum to express them. He can have his opinion pieces published in Russian papers.

    The editors of the New York Times apparently think of themselves as citizens of the word, loyal to no particular country. It's a bad attitude.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Obama used to lie many times to US people.
    Lately with the Red Line. He removed any responsibility of it, and throwing it to the international and the people. He showed himself as weak, not the media.
    A true leader, never back his words, no matter what.
    But instead of favoring their own president the media is portraying Putin as more competent than what he is?
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coin View Post
    Well, they are making better statements that Obama does deserve his position.
    No one can make better statements to prove the otherwise.

    If politicians are trying to destroy the president, sure the people would save him. In all history, on each presidential country, the president was always supported in bad moments.
    Looks like Obama does not have the support of the people anymore. And honestly, he does not to make proper speeches to the people imo. I was too curious to hear Bush talking. He was bad, maybe more than Obama, but was a good actor on speeches.
    With Obama, it looks like I know what he is going to say, so I don't even bother to watch him, because his words seems to be the same on each speech. He is not a good actor.
    When has Obama ever had your support? Bush invaded Iraq with 200,000 troops and directly caused the deaths of more Americans than Bin Laden. His finest moment in a speech was "Bring it on" when he invited Alqeada to maim and kill Americans with IED's in Iraq. You supported that but not a peaceful removal of chemical weapons from Syria? Obama does not want to kill 1000's more Americans like Bush and that seems to be your problem with him now.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Continue to ignore the daily barrage against the President of the USA. It continues to be initiated by the (not-quite) right-wing machine in the media and in Congress. I've lost count of how many f right-wings there are, trying to destroy this Presidency, their words.Is this the same al Qaeda as in 2001? Or are they missing over three dozen leaders? Don't start giving Obama any credit now. That would change your MO.
    The same Al Qaida that is murdering people in villages and towns across the middle east...why yes...yes it is. Obama gets props for pulling the trigger on the Osama mission...and I gave him props for that. That doesnt make Al Qaida NOT an enemy today...are you ****ing kidding me? Did you really type that????

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post

    Among his arguments:

    -The UN must be allowed to work.
    Sure it should. Maybe Putin should have come up with this idea before Obama threatened force. Seems like diplomacy only moves anywhere with a tangible military threat.

    -Attacking Syria will destabilize the region
    We're looking at the biggest refugee crisis since WW2. How more destabilised can it get?

    -The opposition used chemical weapons, not Assad
    This appears to be increasingly unlikely when looking at the evidence backing as Assad chem argument or a rebel chem argument. The only realistic alternative to an Assad chem is a rogue general of his, which doesn't make him look all that good.

    -Diplomacy must be used instead of force
    Refer to point one. This diplomatic solution he's scrambled for came after a threat of force.

    -America is not exceptional
    The place or the people?

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    And I will continue to type this stuff until our MSM and loyal opposition stops giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Never before have they been the Enemy Within as now. You must agree with Ron Paul blaming the USA for triggering the 9/11 attack. Or Rand Paul embracing Rand Paul and Putin.
    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The same Al Qaida that is murdering people in villages and towns across the middle east...why yes...yes it is. Obama gets props for pulling the trigger on the Osama mission...and I gave him props for that. That doesnt make Al Qaida NOT an enemy today...are you ****ing kidding me? Did you really type that????

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And I will continue to type this stuff until our MSM and loyal opposition stops giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Never before have they been the Enemy Within as now. You must agree with Ron Paul blaming the USA for triggering the 9/11 attack. Or Rand Paul embracing Rand Paul and Putin.
    I "must"? You keep adding 2 + oranges and making it = pretty pink flowers. This isnt about Rand Paul, Ron Paul, or Peter Paul and Mary. This is about your boy putting on the red wig nose and clown shoes every time he opens his mouth on the world stage.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    We are an exceptional Nation.
    Mr. Putin stumbled on his next move in Chess after the Obama gambit Tuesday night.
    The 40% of Americans in the MIDDLE don't appreciate this anti-American garbage from PUTIN in response to Mr. Obama's speech.
    If you don't think we're exceptional, join the two Pauls and PUTIN. Even CRUZ won't touch this.

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I "must"? You keep adding 2 + oranges and making it = pretty pink flowers. This isnt about Rand Paul, Ron Paul, or Peter Paul and Mary. This is about your boy putting on the red wig nose and clown shoes every time he opens his mouth on the world stage.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    In an Op-Ed in the New York Times, Putin bypassed diplomatic channels and spoke directly to the American people.

    Among his arguments:

    -The UN must be allowed to work.
    -Attacking Syria will destabilize the region
    -The opposition used chemical weapons, not Assad
    -Diplomacy must be used instead of force
    -America is not exceptional

    How much of his argument holds some water, and how much is BS?
    It might be my biased opinion since I AM American but the only part there that is BS is the part I bolded.

    The rest is either true or unknown and/or just opinion.
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