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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    -The UN must be allowed to work.

    *I'd rather it didn't. It's mostly socialist economic programs that make things worse. But in this case yeah, I'd rather the UN raise opposition to a US invasion.

    -Attacking Syria will destabilize the region

    *Undoubtedly. As if it wasn't unstable enough.

    -The opposition used chemical weapons, not Assad

    *At this point I throw up my hands and say that there is no evidence to prove ANYTHING.

    -Diplomacy must be used instead of force

    *Always this is the preferred option.

    -America is not exceptional

    *Absolutely.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Major Russian newspapers would have no problem with an Obama op-ed. As a matter of fact, they would fall over each other to get it. Too bad the idea
    It is my idea and it would never be allowed, nor would the criticism from the other party or the (not) right wing media...
    You are confusing the modern Russia with the USSR (not unlike Mr.Putin in a way). Yes, it is a fake democracy, and yes, actual threats to the power of Chosen Ones are "dealt with in a timely manner". But the USSR it is not.
    The smile on Pootin is fake. Your own words say he is a fake. All he cares about is what the USSR and Maoists have always cared about, destroying the USA with proxy states. As for now, he will help Obama on the condition that all goes well at the Olympics. They will cement Pootin in the history books and on TV...
    The Putin's endless tenure is a dark and disappointing period in history of Russia. But it's nothing like the USSR. Not even close.
    It is worse than the USSR since it is NOW. You don't get to call it endless and dark and disappointing and then make light of it, though you did...

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    This sounds like the two Pauls. Do you agree with Ron Puke that America triggered 9/11? How about Rank Paul as a sitting Senator giving aid and comfort to the enemy by praising Pootin over Obama in public? They both need to go to Russia and try slamming Pootin in public. Traitors both.
    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    -The UN must be allowed to work.

    *I'd rather it didn't. It's mostly socialist economic programs that make things worse. But in this case yeah, I'd rather the UN raise opposition to a US invasion.

    -Attacking Syria will destabilize the region

    *Undoubtedly. As if it wasn't unstable enough.

    -The opposition used chemical weapons, not Assad

    *At this point I throw up my hands and say that there is no evidence to prove ANYTHING.

    -Diplomacy must be used instead of force

    *Always this is the preferred option.

    -America is not exceptional

    *Absolutely.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    I think America is exceptional in many ways.

    So is Russia. Their men have an exceptionally short life span. They drink exceptional amounts of vodka. They have an exceptionally high abortion rate and therefore an exceptionally low birth rate. They have an exceptionally low per capita income for a developed nation. Their goods are of exceptionally poor quality. Having spent so much on armaments over the years they have exceptionally good cold war type military equipment including exceptional fighter jets, helicoptors and other aircraft and submarines. They still build exceptionally good manned rockets. Newspaper reporters are in exceptional danger if they criticize Putin. And no people on earth has suffered quite as much, sometimes at the hands of their own leaders, over the years.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen;1062306280[I
    How much of his argument holds some water, and how much is BS?[/I] - Maybe a few grains of truth, but for the most part lies, lies-by-omission, and a great deal of hypocrisy.
    Same old USSR only a higher-tech 21st century addition. Meanwhile, China sits quietly in the background waiting to cross the border colloquially as they did in Korea.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Newspaper reporters are in exceptional danger if they criticize Putin. And no people on earth has suffered quite as much, sometimes at the hands of their own leaders, over the years.
    Do you support our papers and media and loyal opposition trashing Obama and doing what Putins' Soviet citizens would never dream of, giving the two leaders a different persona on the World stage.
    Last edited by NIMBY; 09-12-13 at 02:39 PM.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I agree completely. This is not Putin as a benevolent wise world leader. This is Putin as an arrogant bastadge given the opportunity to grind his thumb in Obamas eye.
    With a little help from his friends and supporters in the USA.
    The (not) right-wing media machine and the loyal opposition.
    Especially the vocal Pauls, blaming the USA for triggering 9/11 and throwing Obama under the Tank with Pukin. Thanks for less than nothing.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Putin, while smug and obviously playing to an American audience he already knows agrees with him, does make a compelling case for peace. That took a little to get out, as I'm frustrated that I'm supporting Russia's former KGB head over my own President on this issue. Usually, when the UN is feckless (and that's nearly all the time) and corrupt (at least half the time), the major issue is Russia and/or China are not supportive and therefore the security council option is a waste of time. In this case however, that may not be the issue. The real issue is America's reticence in believing Russia and China have Syria's best intentions at heart. Isn't it Russia has invested in Syria and has a base there and they want to keep it? Isn't it that Syria may be another thorn in America's side like Iran, and it would be a shame to lose them to U.S. intervention yet again? What Putin doesn't bring up is the constant ways the U.S. has in the past 60 years been a thorn in the Soviet/Russia rear end and how the entire East Block fall of Communism stung like a mofo. It's not all about revenge I'm sure but hell, why not make it sting a little while looking like the grown up in an international incident.

    Will something actually happen and can the international community get those chemical weapons while a civil war rages around them?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Its laughable that you think anyone 'threw' Obama under the bus and that he didnt take a running dive and do it to himself.
    I didn't say Obama was thrown under the bus. I said he was thrown under the TANK and it stands as a monument to the level of Treason and Sedition the USA has reached in his less than 5 years.
    You think people are HAPPY that he has done it. That just shows how completely up his ass you are. Pathetic.
    I KNOW you are HAPPY. Anything that may help in the next election. As for up his ass and being pathetic, (not quite) right-wingers report me for saying far less as a personal attack. I don't play that cheap game like you folks.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I didn't say Obama was thrown under the bus. I said he was thrown under the TANK and it stands as a monument to the level of Treason and Sedition the USA has reached in his less than 5 years.

    I KNOW you are HAPPY. Anything that may help in the next election. As for up his ass and being pathetic, (not quite) right-wingers report me for saying far less as a personal attack. I don't play that cheap game like you folks.
    Bus...tank...either way no one 'threw' Obama anywhere. He took a running leap all of his own accord.

    Treason...like...getting in bed with AlQaida?

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