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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You have all the talking points down. Enjoy your President thrown under the tank while Pootin gets a free ride from his Country or they die. I bet you forgot they were commies and are still supplying Syria and Iran with high-tech weapons. You arm-chair generals make Putin's job easier one treachorous post at a time.
    Its laughable that you think anyone 'threw' Obama under the bus and thathe didnt take a running dive and do it to himself. You think people are HAPPY that he has done it. That just shows how completely up his ass you are. Pathetic.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    I agree, it does seem odd that as Obama flails about cluelessly, Putin has suddenly become the "Go to" guy for American newspapers.
    When you're starving for leadership like the US is right now, any scrap will do..

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/op...-on-syria.html

    Having just read it, I find it to be compelling. Regardless of intention, it is one helluva move...

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    In an Op-Ed in the New York Times, Putin bypassed diplomatic channels and spoke directly to the American people.
    Putin is full of it.

    Let's recap:

    "No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization."


    The UN doesn't work when two security council members who have permanent voting rights refuse to allow any action against states no matter how badly those states are butchering their citizens. China is HORRIBLE candidate for the security council because China has internal projection problems in interfering with the matters of others in the fear that eventually its own bad behavior will cause others to interfere in Chinese matters. Thus, China refuses to vote for any real action and thus provides cover for state sanctioned wholesale mass slaughter. Russia is using it to give the finger to the West as Russian power declines in the world. Being able to prevent others from acting is in its self the power that a weaker nation has. Russia doesn't play by any of the world's rules when it feels like it and thus has no shame in using what should be measures to prevent war crimes to gain political standing. Essentially Putin is standing on the proverbial bodies of dead Syrians. As he did with Libya. And Russia on Kosovo.

    "A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa."


    There's a good chance that doing nothing will result in unleashing a new wave of terrorism. That's coming either way. As for the Iranian program, doing nothing gives Iran even more cover to get its nuclear program up and running. If we show our threats are meaningless, what does Iran have to fear? We become a paper tiger. Putin is 100% full of **** that this will have any impact on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. What's holding that up is the expansion of Jewish settlements and the fact that its core, Israel doesn't want peace. They get peace with the Palestinian, they have to deal with their own internal problems that could potentially rip Israel apart. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict allows Israel to brush these problems under the rug and let the parties focus on the Palestinians as the problem, not each other. Israel alone faces a welfare entitlement program that could destroy the state. And they do not even remotely have a good way of fixing it.

    I think it's funny how Putin promotes Democracy put actively tries to destroy it in Russia and FSU states. This guy is more hypocritical than some users here.

    "Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria?"

    And the longer the fight, the more hardened they get and the bigger threat they become, so therefore do nothing and prolong the fight? What kind of crap logic is that Putin?

    "From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. "

    Which is largely more bull****. There is no ZOPA between the Rebels and Assad. Assad wants to stay in power. Rebels will never allow this. There can be no peaceful dialogue because each of them has a condition that excludes a potential zone of possible agreement. And yes, you are protecting the Syrian government. If you gave a **** about international law, you'd be pushing hard to remove Assad or his weapons. The transfer of chemical weapons is a sham because it cannot happen in a war zone. Putin is buying time for Assad and nothing more. The whole chemical weapons transfer plan is doomed from the start and was deliberately designed that way.

    "Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council."

    Ignore the fact that Russia and China will veto any plan they don't like, even if it lets murderous rampages continue.

    "ut there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. "

    Is that why we have emails from Syrian officials planning, coordinating and mopping up from the planned chemical attack? Heck, we have dialogue between them that has reactions from one who was amazed at the damage it did, way more than he expected. Syrian rebels did this? Only if you're blind, deaf and dumb....or have an ulterior motive for lying.

    "Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored."

    This is the stupidest thing I have read so far. Attacking Israel would unleash the might of the Israeli Air Force who has no problems bombing the crap out of people it believes to be terrorists. The rebels are already getting pounded by Assad's subpar air force. They will get demolished by a proper air force.

    I can't keep reading this. It's that bad.

    Seriously, if you take that article seriously, you are extremely ignorant.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/op...-on-syria.html

    Having just read it, I find it to be compelling. Regardless of intention, it is one helluva move...
    That Putin is a douchebag?

    Seriously, I couldn't even make it all the way to the end. Putin's essay is 15 lbs of bull**** in a 6oz snackpack ziplock.

    He writes that the threat of terrorists gaining skills in Syria applies to everyone, and thus we should do nothing and let them get even more hardened and more skilled. I don't even see that level of retarded logic here. The dumbest users here use better logic than Putin. EMBARRASSING.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That Putin is a douchebag?

    Seriously, I couldn't even make it all the way to the end. Putin's essay is 15 lbs of bull**** in a 6oz snackpack ziplock.

    He writes that the threat of terrorists gaining skills in Syria applies to everyone, and thus we should do nothing and let them get even more hardened and more skilled. I don't even see that level of retarded logic here. The dumbest users here use better logic than Putin. EMBARRASSING.
    So you suggest we aid Assad in ridding him of the terrorists?

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    So you suggest we aid Assad in ridding him of the terrorists?
    Sorta of. In the process of bombing Assad, we lob a few missiles towards AQ related fighter cells. They're already afraid we're going to bomb them as well. We should make sure their fears are realized.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Sorta of. In the process of bombing Assad, we lob a few missiles towards AQ related fighter cells. They're already afraid we're going to bomb them as well. We should make sure their fears are realized.
    So you want Hezbollah to have their own country?

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    In an Op-Ed in the New York Times, Putin bypassed diplomatic channels and spoke directly to the American people.

    Among his arguments:

    -The UN must be allowed to work.
    -Attacking Syria will destabilize the region
    -The opposition used chemical weapons, not Assad
    -Diplomacy must be used instead of force
    -America is not exceptional

    How much of his argument holds some water, and how much is BS?
    America is exceptional, did you hear Obama finally admit I the other day? I thought his head was going to explode.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    So you want Hezbollah to have their own country?
    And that came from where exactly? Do you regularly rely on out of left field arguments?

    Without Assad, Hezbollah will wither away. So how does it logically flow that removing Assad strengthens Hezbollah to the point they could rule a country?
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