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Thread: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed? [W:83]

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    1. The U.N. can work, but it's those in the Security Council that act like little children, including Russia and the United States, ruin it.
    2. U.S. Intervention can cause the Middle East to explode, with Iran and other countries joining in the fray. Risking that alone, is not worth it.
    3. If you say we should rely on the government to make the right choice, I remind you that the news hyped about Saddam using chemical weapons on his people and had WMDs, That turned out to be a big lie.
    4. All that I have heard from the President is, We should bomb this and bomb that, not very often have I heard, lets talk this out. He pushes for immediate force, not thinking very much into the problem at all.
    5.The U.S. is just a normal country like everybody else, we shouldn't disregard another countries sovereignty just to further our agenda.
    Thank you for numbering since it's a lot easier to respond that way.

    1. I feel that believing the UN can work when it comes to crises involving multiple interests is naive. Agree to disagree I guess.
    2. Agree, actually. Which is why I don't support a strike...especially a very small ineffectual one. I would prefer covert meddling and economic and political sanctions, if poss.
    3. I never said that we have to rely on the gov't to make right choices. Do you have access to classified info? Unless you do, I guess we'll have to rely on the gov't.
    4. Actually he only comes to the decision to bomb months or years after the opportunity to "talk it out" has passed. So I guess we agree on this point since you didn't criticize my point. Rather you piled on more criticism.
    5. Just another country that is exceptionally different with exceptional potential, exceptional institutions, etc....exceptional exceptional. Agree to disagree I suppose.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I honestly don't know what this means, but exporting capitalist republicanism is hardly "internationalist socialist ideology," if that's what you're getting at.
    Republicans have little if any thing in common with internationalist socialist.

    Obama is an internationalist socialist. He even said so in his book "Dreams From My father."

    Todays liberals are internationalist who blame America for everything that's wrong in the world. Blame America first.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    "Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression. "

    Uh huh. Is that why Putin invaded Georgia without the UN approval? Oh wait. Shoot sorry. I'm being consistent.

    Is that also why as Prime Minster Putin ordered a campaign that killed 160,000 in Chechnya? Shoot sorry again. I'm being consistent.

    Aren't Russian forces still occupying parts of Georgia illegally? Shoot sorry again. I'm being consistent.

    Putin is more of a lying hypocrite then the worst users here:

    Vladimir Putin's 1999 Chechnya Op-Ed - Business Insider

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...crisy_and.html

    UN authorization only matters when Russians aren't doing the invading and killing.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    "Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression. "

    Uh huh. Is that why Putin invaded Georgia without the UN approval? Oh wait. Shoot sorry. I'm being consistent.

    Is that also why as Prime Minster Putin ordered a campaign that killed 160,000 in Chechnya? Shoot sorry again. I'm being consistent.

    Aren't Russian forces still occupying parts of Georgia illegally? Shoot sorry again. I'm being consistent.

    Putin is more of a lying hypocrite then the worst users here:

    Vladimir Putin's 1999 Chechnya Op-Ed - Business Insider

    Russia’s role in Syria: Putin’s New York Times op-ed is all hypocrisy and lies. - Slate Magazine

    UN authorization only matters when Russians aren't doing the invading and killing.
    I think what made Putin this bold is that he is feeding on explicit anti-Obama content. He knows that Obama has no support and exploits it to the degree of addressing the people of USA. If this stands and he is more popular and authoritative then Obama then why should the army listen to Obama instead of Putin?

    The media has fallen over their heels over Putin, when will the audience, policymakers, and alas the military do also? Where is the internal mechanism, the soveregnity of a country, that draws a line what can another president do to their people and what they cannot?

    What really needs to happen in order to stop this penetration of influence to this degree is to stop the mockery and ridicule of the President of USA. He is being sacrificed and attacked both from within (us) and outside (Putin). If we give him some break and show all nation support Obama could kick some Putin ass back to Georgia even I think!
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I think what made Putin this bold is that he is feeding on explicit anti-Obama content. He knows that Obama has no support and exploits it to the degree of addressing the people of USA. If this stands and he is more popular and authoritative then Obama then why should the army listen to Obama instead of Putin?

    The media has fallen over their heels over Putin, when will the audience, policymakers, and alas the military do also? Where is the internal mechanism, the soveregnity of a country, that draws a line what can another president do to their people and what they cannot?

    What really needs to happen in order to stop this penetration of influence to this degree is to stop the mockery and ridicule of the President of USA. He is being sacrificed and attacked both from within (us) and outside (Putin). If we give him some break and show all nation support Obama could kick some Putin ass back to Georgia even I think!
    Putin is grasping for whatever power he can grab. The fracking in the US is driving down Russian bargaining power on natural gas. Without that, Russia doesn't have much of a stick/carrot to weld against its neighbors or FSU states. Europe is now being fed by Arab natural gas that used to go to the US. And they're getting it for cheap. Germany no longer has the big problem of being beholden to Ukraine to channel natural gas to its markets. They can simply import it from Italy who imports it from Arab tankers. Russia's power is waning.

    I previously made this argument about how getting the US entirely off of gasoline would severely cripple Russia. I did not expect (but should have) that Putin would be an incorrigible prick on the way down.

    Some in the military know better than to listen to Putin who has ulterior motives. Putin doesn't care about UN directives and votes. Russia will violate them whenever Putin wants. But Putin knows that the US has a much harder time going rouge and engaging in aggression similar to how Russia invaded and still occupies parts of Georgia. And thus Putin can tweak us. It's sad how many people don't understand this.

    Obama never had support from a certain group of the GOP, so they'll always blame him for everything. The Obama Derangement Syndrome is just as prevalent as the Bush Derangement Syndrome. People need to be better informed about just how much of a hypocritical liar Putin is before accepting his words at face value.
    "If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him." - Sun Tzu

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Putin is grasping for whatever power he can grab. The fracking in the US is driving down Russian bargaining power on natural gas. Without that, Russia doesn't have much of a stick/carrot to weld against its neighbors or FSU states. Europe is now being fed by Arab natural gas that used to go to the US. And they're getting it for cheap. Germany no longer has the big problem of being beholden to Ukraine to channel natural gas to its markets. They can simply import it from Italy who imports it from Arab tankers. Russia's power is waning.

    I previously made this argument about how getting the US entirely off of gasoline would severely cripple Russia. I did not expect (but should have) that Putin would be an incorrigible prick on the way down.

    Some in the military know better than to listen to Putin who has ulterior motives. Putin doesn't care about UN directives and votes. Russia will violate them whenever Putin wants. But Putin knows that the US has a much harder time going rouge and engaging in aggression similar to how Russia invaded and still occupies parts of Georgia. And thus Putin can tweak us. It's sad how many people don't understand this.

    Obama never had support from a certain group of the GOP, so they'll always blame him for everything. The Obama Derangement Syndrome is just as prevalent as the Bush Derangement Syndrome. People need to be better informed about just how much of a hypocritical liar Putin is before accepting his words at face value.
    But deal with what you have. If people are so impressionable and would accept a major rivals statements at face value then the media should help the audience understand Putin's ulterior motives. Explain why Putin said which and when so as to serve which Russia's interests! Not just present what he said in all spark and glory!
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    But deal with what you have. If people are so impressionable and would accept a major rivals statements at face value then the media should help the audience understand Putin's ulterior motives.
    That doesn't sell newspapers and page clicks. So they don't do it. Ultimately this our own fault. What drives news isn't what needs to be said most of the time.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That doesn't sell newspapers and page clicks. So they don't do it. Ultimately this our own fault. What drives news isn't what needs to be said most of the time.
    Hence I blame the media for this all. They have been riding on "what is newsworthy to the laypeople" concept so as to increase sales for too long and to the whole countries demise. The media has grown lazy and Putin's RT is growing on this vacuum building greater layers of influence through media such as what we see here.
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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed?

    Yes, he is absolutely correct. Obama is an idiot. We don't need another war.

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    Re: Does Putin Have a Point in his Op-Ed? [W:83]

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    In an Op-Ed in the New York Times, Putin bypassed diplomatic channels and spoke directly to the American people.

    Among his arguments:

    -The UN must be allowed to work.
    -Attacking Syria will destabilize the region
    -The opposition used chemical weapons, not Assad
    -Diplomacy must be used instead of force
    -America is not exceptional

    How much of his argument holds some water, and how much is BS?



    About 1% of what Putin says holds water, the other 99% is total bull****, he's a Russian dictator, fer crissakes! What do you expect?

    He does have a point, but as long as he keeps his hat on, no one will ever know.

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