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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Greetings to you Polgara, I must clarify that O'bagy didn't physically testify but that Kerry and McCain introduced her testimony through her writings/opinions to try and make the case for military involvement. If you watched the hearings, Kerry and McCain relied heavily on her opinions. They referred to her as "Doctor O'bagy", the one without a ph.D. Send in the clowns.
    Please keep in mind that in a public hearing it is sometimes necessary to cite a public source for information obtained via non-public means.
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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Please keep in mind that in a public hearing it is sometimes necessary to cite a public source for information obtained via non-public means.
    Afternoon Jack, Happy Belated Birthday. It isn't because it was a public op-ed piece, but rather the information that she was connection with a group called the Syrian Emergency Task Force. The Journal, after the op-ed was first published, it later included a clarification noting she is "affiliated" with that group, and that the organization subcontracts with the U.S. and British governments "to provide aid to the Syrian opposition." Her opinions were introduced to Congress as that of a researcher with a phD for the Institute for War Studies. Nothing about her affiliation with the Syrian Emergency Task Force. The phD turned out to be a lie.

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Afternoon Jack, Happy Belated Birthday. It isn't because it was a public op-ed piece, but rather the information that she was connection with a group called the Syrian Emergency Task Force. The Journal, after the op-ed was first published, it later included a clarification noting she is "affiliated" with that group, and that the organization subcontracts with the U.S. and British governments "to provide aid to the Syrian opposition." Her opinions were introduced to Congress as that of a researcher with a phD for the Institute for War Studies. The phD turned out to be a lie.
    Thanks for the birthday greeting. Getting old is hell but it beats the alternative. I understand her background and situation. I'm just saying that those who cite her as a source may find her convenient rather than important.
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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Thanks for the birthday greeting. Getting old is hell but it beats the alternative. I understand her background and situation. I'm just saying that those who cite her as a source may find her convenient rather than important.
    Exactly. Have a good one.

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The first question I asked myself in considering a reply was, "What exactly did Putin do?"

    Answer: Take action on a straight-forward recommendation proposed by Sec. Kerry during negotiations with Putin and Russia's Foreign Minister (the equivalent to our Secretary of State), towit: "Syria could avoid an American attack by turning over 'every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week.'"

    The only way Pres. Obama or SoS Kerry look foolish is if negotiations breakdown OR if Syria does exactly what many believe Iraq did w/their chemical weapons stockpile - move them to another country in hiding. Based on media reports it looks as though Syria is very willing to capitulate and not only turn over their entire chemical weapons stockpile but also halt production of chemical weapons altogether.

    Source: USAToday article, "Syrian FM: Syria will sign chemical ban, open storage sites"

    If they follow through, I'd say Kerry's gaff will turn out to be a smart bold suggestion, Pres. Obama will come away looking stronger for not backing down completely on his threat to use military force, if necessary, as well as pragmatic on the world stage for listening to his people (Congress and U.S. citizens) and world leaders and allowing for a diplomatic solution rather than violence.

    The verdict is still out, but I'd say "heads, we win" on this one assming things play out as is being reported.
    I don't think it matters to certain people. It is a sad day when you root for foreign leaders if it makes your president look bad.

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    I don't think it matters to certain people. It is a sad day when you root for foreign leaders if it makes your president look bad.
    For me, personally, I'd love to see no action taken in Syria by the west - while Canada would not be involved in the initial stages, we would inevitably get stuck in the aftermath in some way and Syria is a situation that only the Syrians can solve now - there are already too many external forces at work there.

    That said, my responses on this thread have been related to some apologists for President Obama who claim this was/is now a brilliant masterplan on their part when it was nothing of the kind. When first asked about Kerry's comments right after they were made, Obama and the White House dismissed them. When Russia seized the initiative and turned it on the US, Obama and the administration were beat - they had to step back and accept the challenge, one that will take years in my view to work out unless the US abandons it at some point. That's what makes President Obama look bad and nobody needs to root for it, Obama has a great knack for looking bad all on his own.
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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Good afternoon, Polgara.

    Mrs. Hays and I are getting ready to fly down to Orlando to link up with grandchildren at Disney World.

    I'll be a little scarce on DP the next ten days or so.
    Have a great trip, and most importantly...enjoy yourself and have lots of fun!

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    After giving the question some consideration, I decided I can't take part in this poll. I have an entirely different thought on the subject. I believe the U.S. electorate looks most ridiculous.
    Sad thought, isn't it ?

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : I always thought I had a reasonable command of the English language, but "patutity" was new to me. Apparently it's new to Webster's Dictionary, too, since it is not listed! Must be a horrible disease known only to a few doctors worldwide, and they have agreed never to discuss it except at medical seminars! :
    It does sound like of combination of things I dare not consider. I know what she meant, but I do believe she's strayed into territory in which few venture. Frankenstein probably had one of 'em.

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Greetings to you Polgara, I must clarify that O'bagy didn't physically testify but that Kerry and McCain introduced her testimony through her writings/opinions to try and make the case for military involvement. If you watched the hearings, Kerry and McCain relied heavily on her opinions. They referred to her as "Doctor O'bagy", the one without a ph.D. Send in the clowns.
    Vesper, why do...and I'm using "do" instead of "did" because I fear this isn't the end of our meddling... they want more chaos in the ME than there already is? Who benefits from this?

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