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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Obama saved face rather nicely? Are you a writer for Bill Maher?


    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    You forgot to include yourself as an option. As this poll is nothing more than a Obama hater's glad handing pep rally.

    Obama had painted himself in a corner. The diplomatic developments were his only way out. And he saved face rather nicely. This was the only way Obama and Putin stood a chance to both back down and save face at the same time.
    By the time people realize that Syria will not comply, the spotlight will be off of the matter and we can get past this distraction and focus on bigger issues such as Iran, our debt, and the 45,000 Americans who die every year due to lack of proper medical care.
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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Impossible to please some people.
    Or is it just that saying the name 'Obama' is like tapping that spot on the knee with a little rubber hammer.

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Obama saved face rather nicely? Are you a writer for Bill Maher?
    Seriously?

    What other options did he have?

    Press for an attack that the American people will not stand for. Get denied. Look like a fool AND a BUSH#2

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    Not press for an attack, and look like a fool.

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    Attack anyways and play into the Right Wing's hands.

    Any of these 3 options would have placed the Affordable Care Act in Jeopardy by way of getting hammered in 2014.
    Obama has found the one and only option to save face and save 2014.
    Maybe for an Obama hater, it was meaningless. But for his base and just over half the Nation, he managed to save the day.

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Seriously?

    What other options did he have?

    Press for an attack that the American people will not stand for. Get denied. Look like a fool AND a BUSH#2

    or

    Not press for an attack, and look like a fool.

    or

    Attack anyways and play into the Right Wing's hands.

    Any of these 3 options would have placed the Affordable Care Act in Jeopardy by way of getting hammered in 2014.
    Obama has found the one and only option to save face and save 2014.
    Maybe for an Obama hater, it was meaningless. But for his base and just over half the Nation, he managed to save the day.
    Nice try, but just more bull**** spin.

    1. Bush #2 went to congress twice to get approval for military action and both times the persuasion of his character and his strength of purpose ruled the day and congress approved both times - don't dare compare the milquetoast, unprincipled, talking bag of gas Obama with a man of character.

    2. Obama tripped into a pile of crap of his own making and then didn't even have the balls to own up to it and tried to blame it on others.

    3. Kerry, looking tired from travel the rigors of diplomacy, answered a serious question with a foolish answer before his brain got in gear and thus dumped both he and Obama into another pile of crap and you see that as a face saving brilliant move. Just what level of sycophantic delusion is necessary to exist in that alternate reality?

    4. Obama is an idiot, and a dangerous one at that, because he doesn't know he's an idiot and everyone else does.
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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Nice try, but just more bull**** spin.

    1. Bush #2 went to congress twice to get approval for military action and both times the persuasion of his character and his strength of purpose ruled the day and congress approved both times - don't dare compare the milquetoast, unprincipled, talking bag of gas Obama with a man of character.

    2. Obama tripped into a pile of crap of his own making and then didn't even have the balls to own up to it and tried to blame it on others.

    3. Kerry, looking tired from travel the rigors of diplomacy, answered a serious question with a foolish answer before his brain got in gear and thus dumped both he and Obama into another pile of crap and you see that as a face saving brilliant move. Just what level of sycophantic delusion is necessary to exist in that alternate reality?

    4. Obama is an idiot, and a dangerous one at that, because he doesn't know he's an idiot and everyone else does.
    Oh I agree Obama is an idiot. He has made countless miscalculations, that to me were obvious and easy.
    Getting himself out of the mess he created for himself, however, was nothing short of genius.
    The fact that you would use Bush's lies as something to point to as a positive and then call him a "man of character", means this conversation is OVER.

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Putin played Obama & Co. like a fiddle. They can't very well sit there with a comical look and an awe shucks, they have to try to save face...

    So, when trying to take credit for what Putin did, who will look more ridiculous?
    Kerry, nothing seems to stick to Obama, ever.
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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Will Assad be more compliant than Hussein was?
    I was Charlie Rose's interview with Assad. Talk about the banality of evil. I think he's sane, just has been seduced by power. I think he's going to come to the conclusion that's best for him, that keeps him alive, with or without his weapons.

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidtaylorjr View Post
    Kerry, nothing seems to stick to Obama, ever.
    Groundless scandals about Benghazi, the NSA and the IRS don't stick to him. This might.

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I have a military mindset in that I blame the person in charge, regardless of who actually screwed something up. The NSA scandals, Benghazi, Syria, etc. All of these things happened in his organization under his watch, and because of that I place the blame squarely on his shoulders.

    A good leader takes responsibility for his organization, so yes, Kerry will look like a jackass (as usual), but ultimately Obama was his superior officer who blessed off the decision.
    So where was your outrage when Bush 2 let diplomates die his scorecard is way higher than Obama. Military mind set my patutity

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    Re: Who Will Look More Ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Putin played Obama & Co. like a fiddle. They can't very well sit there with a comical look and an awe shucks, they have to try to save face...

    So, when trying to take credit for what Putin did, who will look more ridiculous?
    The idea of disarming Assad has been on the table the whole time, but never got any traction until now. What changed?

    This certainly looks like carrot-and-stick diplomacy, emphasis on the stick. While we in the US scoff at the ineffectiveness of strikes, apparently over there they are much more afraid of it than we thought. If that's the case, and if this plan works, then you must acknowledge that the bellicose statements of Kerry and the White House and the positioning of our ships in the region had their effects on Assad.

    What I don't understand, though, is why they chose now to resurrect the idea, when from all appearances the vote in Congress would have prevented military action. I can only guess that Russia and Syria don't believe that Congress could change the President's mind.

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