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  • Yes, he'll disarm, but the sneaky b******, he'll keep some on the down low

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  • No, he's faking it

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    Re: Will Assad Disarm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    It doesn't matter really. None of them are on our side. They'll blow up a bunch of airbases and declare it the most brilliant military move since D-Day.

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    Re: Will Assad Disarm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    He may fain disarmament as a delay tactic, and may even turn over some of his WMD, but will not capitulate to turning over all his WMD. And Russia will help him.
    I was always intrigued by the notion of chemical weapons falling into the "mass destruction" category given they destroy nothing except human life. They are weapons of mass death and little destruction.

    I think Obama went to Congress for the purpose of giving himself an "out". No one wants to actually "punish" Syria (at least alone).

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    Re: Will Assad Disarm?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I was always intrigued by the notion of chemical weapons falling into the "mass destruction" category given they destroy nothing except human life. They are weapons of mass death and little destruction.

    I think Obama went to Congress for the purpose of giving himself an "out". No one wants to actually "punish" Syria (at least alone).
    Poison Gas is categorized as a MWD because it is an indiscriminate killer that once launched, has an unknown total effect that cannot be 'aimed', targeted or limited in any way; i.e.: random dispersion, residual killing effects and long term genetic harm just to name a few.

    A WMD does not have to cause damage to infrastructure.

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    Re: Will Assad Disarm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I'm afraid you may be correct. He's backed himself into a corner, and if another attack occurs, he has no choice but to attack... but whom?
    This whole episode has taught me that I know d*** about s*** when a war can hinge on the misplace words of one leader and hinge again at the glib words of another. Even past wars can only teach us so much about the future.

    But if a deal is reached, it will probably have the backing of the international community, possibly the UN. If that happens and chemical weapons are used again, they might have put conditions in place that compel everyone to work together this time.

    But again, something might happen that changes the whole equation.

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    Re: Will Assad Disarm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Not sure how it will effect the relationship with Russia. Putin has embarrassed Obama on numerous occasions, and I don't think Obama is one to forget that easily.
    One of Obama's highest goals and one of the few things he worked on as a Senator is preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons and reducing current stockpiles.
    Not saying the bill was impressive, but it was a bill he sponsored: Lugar-Obama Bill Seeks to Secure Weapons | Global Solutions
    The bill and his ambitions for good relations with Russia is what got me to side with him over Clinton. Of course I was unable to vote in the Democratic primary, but it got me in his corner.

    Obama has been embarrassed by many, including himself. But my money is on him forgiving Putin if Putin wants to work with him. He can not achieve his number 1 goal without Putin.

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    Re: Will Assad Disarm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    One of Obama's highest goals and one of the few things he worked on as a Senator is preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons and reducing current stockpiles.
    Not saying the bill was impressive, but it was a bill he sponsored: Lugar-Obama Bill Seeks to Secure Weapons | Global Solutions
    The bill and his ambitions for good relations with Russia is what got me to side with him over Clinton. Of course I was unable to vote in the Democratic primary, but it got me in his corner.

    Obama has been embarrassed by many, including himself. But my money is on him forgiving Putin if Putin wants to work with him. He can not achieve his number 1 goal without Putin.
    I'm no longer sure what his goals are. And more frightening, I'm not sure he is either.

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    Re: Will Assad Disarm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Nor will Putin who the US has tried to embarrass repeatedly. It doesn't matter. If Syria hands over every chemical weapon they control, some rebel will use one somewhere and the US will bomb them anyway. Obama is too smug to ever truly compromise. He needs to attack something for his legacy.
    i so hope you are wrong in this assessment

    i so fear you are spot on


    not yet convinced the chem weapons weren't used by the rebels to force the USA into a conflict they cannot otherwise win
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Will Assad Disarm?

    I love the Con brain trust... they were so sure about President Obama his mindset, arrogance, smugness yadda yadda yadda... and the start of WWIII but now that it has all fallen apart they just shrug and claim the President is unknowable.

    Another way of looking at this is ya'll were so off on your analysis the only thing you can claim is you have no clue

    Assad would be smart to get rid of the Chemical weapons- I doubt he approved of their use. If there is another verifiable use of Gas the process of determining who ordered it and who knew about it starts again. I wouldn't be too quick to say it would be Assad's decision.

    Course the folks who were so wrong about how this would turn out are quick to say other wise but I guess some folks can't be wrong fast enough....

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    Re: Will Assad Disarm?

    The bigger question is will we ever realize that this isn't our problem to settle?
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    Re: Will Assad Disarm?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The bigger question is will we ever realize that this isn't our problem to settle?
    At least not until we have a Republican president who wants to do it.

    I'm no longer sure what his goals are. And more frightening, I'm not sure he is either.
    Obama's goals aren't difficult to understand. Most countries in the Middle East don't have nuclear weapons, so the deterrence that prevents massive losses to civilian populations does not exist there the same way it exists between the great powers on the U.N. Security Council. Massive losses to civilian populations will create economic disruption that are harmful to Western interests (like the Iran-Iraq War), so the use of chemical weapons has to be stopped lest their application spiral out of control and the power and economic structures of the Middle East begin to collapse.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 09-10-13 at 03:55 PM.
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