View Poll Results: How important is Preventing Iran from acquiring Nuclear Weapons?

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  • Most important crisis humankind has ever faced.

    1 2.13%
  • Extremely Important.

    26 55.32%
  • Good to stop them, but not super important.

    6 12.77%
  • Who cares... It really doesn't matter.

    13 27.66%
  • It would be a good thing if they got nuclear weapons.

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    Re: How important is it to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    I see 3 options.

    #1 just as you said, full invasion with occupation.
    #2 Bribe them in such a way that they are able to give up their nuclear program while saving face and gloating.
    #3 Get Russia on board 100%.


    #1 and #2 are not realistic politically.
    #2 sets a dangerous precedent even if it were possible politically.
    #3 Is not ideal and very difficult to make happen , but when you remove the impossibilities it is all that is left standing.
    Either we manage to get Russia on board with us vs Iran's nuclear program, or Iran will eventually have nukes. It is really that simple when it comes down to it.
    Russia holds the key to it all. Iran will not defy Russia because Russia is their lifeline to trade and to the international community. A future for Iran without Russia is very dark.
    The question is what will it take to bring Russia around. It would be a steep price in more ways than 1.
    It's a good idea, but then we still have China who doesn't like to take any action either, and it seems like Obama has already burned his bridges with Putin. They seem to REALLY dislike one another. In another thread, I was talking about diplomacy. This is just an example of why it is important to have a president who has some diplomacy and knows how to deal with these countries in a tough but productive way. Obama lacks that important skill.

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    Re: How important is it to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Just because America has nukes we can't tell nutty Iran they can't have them. You'd be okay then selling them a few of our old Titan II's for cash then.
    Yes we should do exactly that. Sell them F22's, and aircraft carriers all the armaments they could possible want and a little bit more. While we are busy selling them everything in or inventory including they kitchen sink and the commode, we are selling ALL of their neighbors these things and more including a working ABM system. Give they exactly what they want. Of course they will have to contend with their now very upgraded neighbors, but hey the world isn't perfect is it? We send them all to the poor house buying weapons from US the worlds PREMIER weapons manufacturer and marketer. There isn't nobody that can come close to us. We have the edge cause all of stuff is proven to be effective unlike our loser competitors. Can you just imagine the mullahs chagrin when they realize they are smack dab in the middle of THE most heavily armed region in the world thanks to our efforts. And here is the thing, we can get them to thank us even for being such good friends. Its diabolical I tell you. Diabolical. You kill your enemy with kindness, well what they think is kindness.
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    Re: How important is it to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Yes we should do exactly that. Sell them F22's, and aircraft carriers all the armaments they could possible want and a little bit more. While we are busy selling them everything in or inventory including they kitchen sink and the commode, we are selling ALL of their neighbors these things and more including a working ABM system. Give they exactly what they want. Of course they will have to contend with their now very upgraded neighbors, but hey the world isn't perfect is it? We send them all to the poor house buying weapons from US the worlds PREMIER weapons manufacturer and marketer. There isn't nobody that can come close to us. We have the edge cause all of stuff is proven to be effective unlike our loser competitors. Can you just imagine the mullahs chagrin when they realize they are smack dab in the middle of THE most heavily armed region in the world thanks to our efforts. And here is the thing, we can get them to thank us even for being such good friends. Its diabolical I tell you. Diabolical. You kill your enemy with kindness, well what they think is kindness.
    I don't know about that. I'm sure there would be some unintended consequences that aren't good.

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    Re: How important is it to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    It's important enough that Saudi Arabia should perform its duty as regional power. For once.
    Heard of their "performance" during Desert Storm?

    You sure you want that? The Saudis may be as much of a hollow force as the Egyptians.
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    Re: How important is it to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know about that. I'm sure there would be some unintended consequences that aren't good.
    If all their neighbors are armed to the teeth, by us of course, they are gona be too busy worrying about them to make trouble in the REST of the world. Instead of playing policeman we should be playing salesman. We have the best salesmen in the world, hell we got salesmen who literally do sell ice to Eskimos.
    You see you entrap them with their own desires, and then they have to deal with the consequence of that desire which comes at a price to others. That whole region is a boiling cauldron slash cesspool of avarice and malice. How do you deal with a dog who likes to bite? Give them more then they can chew on. Same with greedy stupid hairless monkeys. Eventually they will get sick of the Machiavellian games. In the mean time we prosper from their foolishness.
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    Re: How important is it to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    If all their neighbors are armed to the teeth, by us of course, they are gona be too busy worrying about them to make trouble in the REST of the world. Instead of playing policeman we should be playing salesman. We have the best salesmen in the world, hell we got salesmen who literally do sell ice to Eskimos.
    You see you entrap them with their own desires, and then they have to deal with the consequence of that desire which comes at a price to others. That whole region is a boiling cauldron slash cesspool of avarice and malice. How do you deal with a dog who likes to bite? Give them more then they can chew on. Same with greedy stupid hairless monkeys. Eventually they will get sick of the Machiavellian games. In the mean time we prosper from their foolishness.
    Well what if they decided to get together against us? That might suck.

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    Re: How important is it to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well what if they decided to get together against us? That might suck.
    It would suck even worse for them. You think we will sit idly by? We will still be cutting edge, and we wont be policemen anymore, and richer for our efforts not to mention we get some goodwill. Who dares to shoot the arms dealer? Not exactly a wise idea.

    Not to mention we put the two main competitors for selling arms, China and Russia pretty much out of the market.
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    Re: How important is it to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    It would suck even worse for them. You think we will sit idly by? We will still be cutting edge, and we wont be policemen anymore, and richer for our efforts not to mention we get some goodwill. Who dares to shoot the arms dealer? Not exactly a wise idea.
    Maybe we could just sell them duds.

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    Re: How important is it to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Maybe we could just sell them duds.
    We could but that would not have the effect we want. We want to be known as THE place to go if you have an arms need. Cant do that selling crap that don't work well. You want them to KNOW that the stuff we sold to their neighbors is just as effective as theirs. Give em a little pause before doing something incredibly stupid.
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    Re: How important is it to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    We could but that would not have the effect we want. We want to be known as THE place to go if you have an arms need. Cant do that selling crap that don't work well. You want them to KNOW that the stuff we sold to their neighbors is just as effective as theirs. Give em a little pause before doing something incredibly stupid.
    Good point, but this is just a fantasy. You know that will never really actually happen right?

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