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    Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    I oppose the syrian war and i hope it gets voted down, but i fear that that some republicans might be voting against it just because they don't want to give obama any sort of political victory. I believe some of republicans like ron paul truly do oppose the war, but there are quite a few republicans who supported iraq and will vote against syria. what do you guys think?
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    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Probably a mixed bag. Some will vote against due to sincerely held doubts about the opposition, some will vote no as a way to undermine Obama's credibility and some are undoubtedly fearing the backlash of the currently negative public opinion of the prospect of intervening.

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    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Probably a mixed bag. Some will vote against due to sincerely held doubts about the opposition, some will vote no as a way to undermine Obama's credibility and some are undoubtedly fearing the backlash of the currently negative public opinion of the prospect of intervening.
    I'll save my judgment until after the vote.

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    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    There are some stated from each party on each side of the issue, but the vast majority are still undecided/undeclared per CNN and that is in each chamber.

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    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    In my opinion, there is no reason that is considered the wrong reason. Maybe the Republicans believe if they allow Obama to feel as if he is in good standing with Congress he will try to get away with more things than he has already.
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    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    I personally oppose it for the same reasons I opposed the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. They aren't real wars, and we haven't been attacked by the military forces of a sovereign nation. I don't support nation-building and interfering in other sovereign nations' affairs with military force.
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    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I oppose the syrian war and i hope it gets voted down, but i fear that that some republicans might be voting against it just because they don't want to give obama any sort of political victory. I believe some of republicans like ron paul truly do oppose the war, but there are quite a few republicans who supported iraq and will vote against syria. what do you guys think?
    IF the republicans are voting against Obama it is because he is trying to the pass something they do not want.Just like when the democrats opposed bush on things they didn't want. People do not elect one party over another because they want them siding together almost on every issue.

    Iraq and Syria are two different situations. Saddam used chemical weapons not once,not twice but around 15-20 times.Saddam also killed a million of his own citizens. Saddam made everyone think he still had WMDs. Politicians on both sides of the isle way before Bush was even in office have said Saddam has WMDs. 9-11 happened shortly before the Iraq war and people did not want some other middle eastern country striking us.
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    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    The left really shows their complete lack of knowledge on the realities of the world with this one. I am guessing this extremist partisan hack is suffering form the cure of "bush did it i-tus". Meaning he can't cry about the Republican congress in bush did it terms so it must be some other nepharious reality. Time to make up a new syndrome because being responsible for their own incompetence and failure just isn't an option.


    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I oppose the syrian war and i hope it gets voted down, but i fear that that some republicans might be voting against it just because they don't want to give obama any sort of political victory. I believe some of republicans like ron paul truly do oppose the war, but there are quite a few republicans who supported iraq and will vote against syria. what do you guys think?

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    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I oppose the syrian war and i hope it gets voted down, but i fear that that some republicans might be voting against it just because they don't want to give obama any sort of political victory. I believe some of republicans like ron paul truly do oppose the war, but there are quite a few republicans who supported iraq and will vote against syria. what do you guys think?
    "The right reason" to vote against something is because you think a vote against something is the right thing to do. You do not get to label reasons right or wrong when it comes to opinion.
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    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I oppose the syrian war and i hope it gets voted down, but i fear that that some republicans might be voting against it just because they don't want to give obama any sort of political victory. I believe some of republicans like ron paul truly do oppose the war, but there are quite a few republicans who supported iraq and will vote against syria. what do you guys think?

    I oppose likewise, but why do you fear - or even care - that some Republicans might be doing the right thing for all wrong reasons? In politics, that is the best you can get, most of the time.

    Having voted "for Iraq" and preparing to vote "against Syria" also may have explanations different from partisan rancor. Saddam had a history of international aggression; Saddam perpetually made threatening noises toward the West and Israel; Saddam was killing and torturing fellow Iraqis in high-throughput manner (in the absence of a civil war) - and, most importantly, the delusions regarding nation-building and, eh, "assisted democratization" still had be decisively exposed as such.

    There's a small - but not so small anymore - group of vocal Republicans who oppose operations of this sort on a mix of libertarian and paleoconservative reasoning: Rand Paul, Mike Lee, Justin Amash, Thomas Massie, et al. They are a pretty consistent bunch, and I don't see any special reasons to doubt their authenticity as war skeptics.

    As for the rest of the crowd (including nearly all Democrats), I honestly haven't observed much consistency in their thinking or actions in the last couple of decades. Who knows what drives them? A mix of partisanship, self-interest and some haphazardly shaped convictions, in most cases, I guess.
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