View Poll Results: Is it okay to vote against syria just to vote against something obama wants?

Voters
32. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    12 37.50%
  • No

    20 62.50%
Page 5 of 7 FirstFirst ... 34567 LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 62

Thread: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

  1. #41
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:31 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,725

    Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I understand. I don't think the Democrats are much better than the Republicans when it comes to warmongering. I getit......I don't expect much different although I hope for more....and I am always disappointed. But across the board....the Democrats are not quite as crazy as the Republicans on other stuff....which is why I support them.
    I'm more amazed at how readily people suffer 'fools'. And we wonder why we have the government we have.

  2. #42
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Last Seen
    01-17-16 @ 05:09 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    9,122

    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I oppose the syrian war and i hope it gets voted down, but i fear that that some republicans might be voting against it just because they don't want to give obama any sort of political victory. I believe some of republicans like ron paul truly do oppose the war, but there are quite a few republicans who supported iraq and will vote against syria. what do you guys think?
    A vote against the war is a good thing, no matter the reason. Besides, no one cares what the Democrat/liberal rank and file want, so it is probabaly only conservatives who can successfully prevent the war. We should welcome them into the current anti-war coalition.

    And don't worry, whatever happens in Syria, Republicans will blame the Democrats, and vice versa.

  3. #43
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Last Seen
    01-17-16 @ 05:09 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    9,122

    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No more predictable than all the anti-war Bush impeachment crowd post 2003, who are now banging the war machine drum for (D) Obama 10 years later. The hypocrisy is so deep America needs hip waders.
    Name anyone who opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars who now suports the war with Syria. I don't know of any such person.

  4. #44
    Sage
    disneydude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 12:36 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    25,145

    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I'm more amazed at how readily people suffer 'fools'. And we wonder why we have the government we have.
    I agree to a certain point. Neither party is my ideal. But I almost always find that the Democrats have a lot less poltical agenda that the Repubs have.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

  5. #45
    Relentless Thinking Fury
    ChezC3's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Chicago
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:54 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    9,144

    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Usually I say intention is everything. However under these circumstances I'll take it how it's given.

  6. #46
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Mecca
    Last Seen
    01-14-15 @ 07:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,426

    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    I believe some of republicans like ron paul truly do oppose the war, but there are quite a few republicans who supported iraq and will vote against syria. what do you guys think?
    The situations with Iraq in 2003 and Syria in 2013 are not even remotely analogous.

    In 2003 Iraq, AQ had a mutual non-aggression agreement with the Iraqi regime and was helping to fight Saddam's enemies in Iraq. AQ even held terrirory in Iraq and was operating a WMD facility near Sargat. The situation in 2013 Syria is quite the opposite. AQ and Assad are bitter enemies. Assad is attacking AQ and vice-versa.

    If Obama wants to drop bombs in Syria he should attack the Al Qaeda militants rather than the legitimate Syrian government they are trying to overthrow. He already has congressional approval to do that via the 2001 AUMF. But he seems hell bent on fighting for the wrong side like he did in Libya.

    I hear Reps like McCain beating the war drums on Syria, calling Assad a "brutal dictator" and the like. But that's just ridiculous name-calling. Any country's leader will get brutal against bloodthirsty enemy troops wreaking havoc in their capitol. Like the Obama administration, McCain fails to adequately explain how the Assad regime's brutality is an imminent threat to the US. To me the insurgents seem to be just as brutal, if not morso, than the government troops. (I saw some pretty disturbing unedited FSA vids)

    And I don't buy the Democrats' "international norms" argument either. The US has no moral high ground to tread when it comes to civilian casualties. Particularly when led by a Democrat president. (think Tokyo, Dresden, Mai Lai, Hiroshima, etc.)
    Last edited by Muhammed; 09-09-13 at 07:28 AM.

  7. #47
    Sage
    Born Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Sonny and Nice
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:49 PM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    6,396

    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I do side with the opposition here....but for different reasons. The party of NO isn't siding on the right side of the issue for the right reasons. They are siding because they are the party of NO. I have no doubt that if the President were Republican they would be warmongering, cheering USA USA USA and waving flags. If you are honest.....you wont disagree.
    I am honest and I don't agree with you, going into Libya was a mistake, that was all for Oil. Now this Syria thing is dead wrong and I don't care who the president is.

    And do think for a second that if Obama had NOT set the RED LINE he would be doing what he is doing, wanting to go to war. To save his own idiot ass. Now who is saying 'Yes' to go to war for the wrong reason.
    Last edited by Born Free; 09-09-13 at 09:20 AM.
    Liberals - Punish the Successful, Reward the Unsuccessful
    Liberals - Tax, Borrow, Spend, and Give Free Stuff
    Obama's legacy - President Donald Trump

  8. #48
    Noblesse oblige
    Ockham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    New Jersey
    Last Seen
    01-27-17 @ 07:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    23,909
    Blog Entries
    4

    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Name anyone who opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars who now suports the war with Syria. I don't know of any such person.
    You're qualifier of "Afghan AND Iraq" seems overly restrictive. Only one person voted against the Afghanistan war that I can recall and I looked it up, it was Barbara Lee (D) California, who is I believe "undecided" on Syria at this time. If we just look at Iraq however, we see prominent Senators (I'm not going to go through the House membership as I just don't have the time).

    Barbara Boxer
    Feinstein, Boxer buck constituents on Syria strike - SFGate

    Dick Durbin
    Senator Durbin Weighs in on Syria Action - CIProud

    Carl Levin
    Video: Carl Levin backs Obama's call for action in Syria - POLITICO.com


    That was just a 4 minute search so I'm very sure there are many more but I'm not going to list them all. Here's the vote from 2002 showing who was against the 2002 Iraq War vote:
    Iraq War Vote in 2002: Honoring the 23 Senate and 133 House Members Who Voted NO
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


  9. #49
    Sometimes wrong

    ttwtt78640's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Uhland, Texas
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    34,691

    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Name anyone who opposed the Afghan and Iraq wars who now suports the war with Syria. I don't know of any such person.
    Clever indeed using opposed to BOTH wars when you know that makes passing your "test" impossible except for one person. I will, however, point out this: Barack Obama, in 2002 opposed U.S. military involvement in Iraq.

    Oct. 2. Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama gives speech opposing war in Iraq. He said he did not oppose "all wars," but he opposed "dumb wars," and wanted to finish the job against al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden rather than start a new war in Iraq. He predicted that "even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences."
    Fact Checker - Clinton vs Obama on Iraq
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

  10. #50
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Last Seen
    01-17-16 @ 05:09 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    9,122

    Re: Are the republicans voting against syria for the right reasons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You're qualifier of "Afghan AND Iraq" seems overly restrictive. Only one person voted against the Afghanistan war that I can recall and I looked it up, it was Barbara Lee (D) California, who is I believe "undecided" on Syria at this time. .....
    Barbara Lee has come out against an attack on Syria. Perhaps my qualifier of "opposed the wars in Afghan AND Iraq" is too restrictive for federally elected officials, but for the grass roots war opponents during the Bush II years, most opposed both wars, and most now oppose war with Syria.

Page 5 of 7 FirstFirst ... 34567 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •