View Poll Results: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

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  • Very, we should be sending men back to the moon, to Mars, and beyond

    48 68.57%
  • Somewhat, but we should stick to sending probes

    4 5.71%
  • Not very important now, maybe in the future

    11 15.71%
  • Not at all, it's a distraction and a waste of money

    10 14.29%
  • Space is boring.

    0 0%
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    Re: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    None of that is even remotely doable, none zip zero zilch nada
    Last thing we need is another government rathole to pour money down
    Fine private enterprise wants to try and make money lofting satellites into orbit
    and running resupply missions to the ISS that is all well and good.

    We haven't gotten anywhere near the level of technological advancement
    required to even begin to start trying to accomplish the things you've listed.

    If you wanna spend money here is where you could put it.
    If you wanna favorably alter the course of human history.

    Let's develop commercial power generation from fusion.

    Imagine a world with virtually free and unlimited energy!
    Wrong.

    We have the technology to colonize and develop our own solar system NOW!

    Moreover, emphasis on exploitation and colonization of our own solar syatem would open all sorts of business and employment opportunities. For example; all the industry necessary for construction of space vehicles, colonization living modules, lunar/planetary contruction vehicles, and equipment and all the attendant technology would open up a slew of white and blue collar jobs HERE in the USA.

    This effort would also open up doors to scientific inquiry leading to further advances in technology (like your fusion power idea) and fulfill most of my suggested goals.
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    Re: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I have a few friends who work at CAL-TECH and JPL and they aren't happy campers with Obama in the White House and his total neglect of what they were trying to accomplish.

    In fact last week I was visiting one of them. I mentioned how I have to work with the Burial of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service with the project I'm involved with right now and they tell me with Obama it's as if nobody is in charge. We see the same thing with the IRS and DHS. My friend gets up looking pissed and say's exactly, nobody is in charge any longer.

    This guy who Obama put in charge of NASA is second rate just like everyone else in the Obama administration. NASA is now in the business of social engineering. Got to reach out to the Muslims is the top priority of NASA.
    Well what I had got from it.....was that NASA would build a Base on the Moon by 2024. That it would be fully functional with the Start of building in 2020. That they would be working with the Private sector to do this.

    Nasa to build permanent moon base



    Nasa has announced plans to build a permanent base on the moon by 2024 - raising the prospect of a manned space flight to Mars.

    The ambitious proposals signal the next phase of space exploration after the agency's space shuttles are retired in 2010 and marks a radical departure from previous short trips to the moon.

    The international base will be permanently staffed by 2024, four years after astronauts land on the moon to begin assembly.

    Once complete, astronauts from the US and other nations will spend up to six months on the base at any one time.

    Nasa said the two key reasons for establishing a base were to prepare for a manned mission to Mars - and ultimately the expansion of human civilisation to other planets. The project is likely to cost hundreds of billions of dollars and involve Nasa partners in Europe, Russia and Japan, although China's participation is unlikely.

    "This is not a flag-and-footprints. This is the idea of starting an outward movement that includes long stays on the moon," said John Logsdon, the director of the Space Policy Institute at George Washington University.

    The first step in establishing the base will be a new generation of lunar spaceships, which will undergo tests from 2009.

    Manned flights will begin in 2014 and astronauts will land on the moon - for the first time since the Apollo mission of 1972 - in 2020.....snip~

    Nasa to build permanent moon base | Science | theguardian.com

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    Re: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    So the ISS has revealed a lot of interesting things, the foremost of this is how bad humans do in space. If you spend over 6months in space your body is prone to all manner of disasters, including going blind because of the way fluids in your eyes behave. And there is no way to fix this without artificial gravity. Sure, there are proposals for AG but no working model.

    A manned mission to Mars will take at least 2 years. That's 4x more than the recommended stay in space. Unless we find a way to counter this (hint hint ,artificial gravity) there is no such thing as interplanetary travel, let alone interstellar travel.

    thankfully, we don't have to send people yet. We can send probes and robots. Robots don't need to have AI, just very good software and the ability to be manually controlled. Like curiosity is, but you know, specialized for certain tasks.
    Actually with current technology we could send people to mars in about 4-6 months.

    And artificial gravity is easy to re-produce with plain centrifugal force. The problem lies in that it requires extra energy and proper building of a craft to do so. The craft that could accomplish this would probably have to be built in space though due to aerodynamics vs getting a vehicle into space.

    We have the technology to accomplish both of those things...it just currently requires more money than our current greedy politicians want to spend.
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    Re: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Isn't the private sector always better than the government?
    Not always. The private sector often will not do something unless there is gaurunteed profit to be made. Since they often only think in the short term...well...you get the picture.
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    Re: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i believe that humanity can get its act toghether and build wonders like this

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    Looks like a colony from Mobile Suit Gundam

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    Re: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not always. The private sector often will not do something unless there is gaurunteed profit to be made. Since they often only think in the short term...well...you get the picture.
    There's no reason to make shoes for children too poor to buy them. Well actually there is a good reason, but that's not Capitalism.

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    Re: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well what I had got from it.....was that NASA would build a Base on the Moon by 2024. That it would be fully functional with the Start of building in 2020. That they would be working with the Private sector to do this.

    Nasa to build permanent moon base


    Nasa to build permanent moon base | Science | theguardian.com

    Ugh, depressing. That was written in 2006. Have we tested the next generation of ships? Are we doing manned flights next year?

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    Re: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    We won the space race and the cold war
    and we own the moon What else is there to do?
    What the human race does best, exploit resources.

    A single asteroid can carry more (sometimes quite rare) metals than terrestrial industry is capable of producing in decades using more conventional techniques. The same is true of space borne energy sources like hydrogen, helium 3, and deuterium.

    If we ever manage to advance the necessary technology to the level where we can economically harvest these elements on a regular basis, it could very well result in a society wide "leap forward" that would make the Industrial Revolution seem miniscule by way of comparison.

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    Re: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Ugh, depressing. That was written in 2006. Have we tested the next generation of ships? Are we doing manned flights next year?
    That's what Air Space Command is about and I think Naval does some of the Engineering. Course knowing private industries launches for rockets of any type. Satellites or others.

    The Space Force Mission is to defend the United States through the control and exploitation of space. Air Force Space Command makes space reliable to the warfighter (i.e. forces personnel) by continuously improving the command's ability to provide and support combat forces — assuring their access to space. In addition, the command's ICBM forces deter any adversary contemplating the use of weapons of mass destruction. AFSPC has four primary mission areas:
    •Space forces support involves launching satellites and other high-value payloads into space using a variety of expendable launch vehicles and operating those satellites once in the medium of space.
    •Space control ensures friendly use of space through the conduct of counterspace operations encompassing surveillance, negation, and protection.
    •Force enhancement provides weather, communications, intelligence, missile warning, and navigation. Force enhancement is support to the warfighter.
    •Force application involves maintaining and operating a rapid response, land-based ICBM force as the Air Force's only on-alert strategic deterrent.



    Space capabilities

    Spacelift operations at the East and West Coast launch bases provide services, facilities and range safety control for the conduct of United States Department of Defense (DOD), National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), and commercial launches. Through the command and control (largely the domain of the 50th Space Wing) of all DOD satellites, satellite operators provide force-multiplying effects — continuous global coverage, low vulnerability and autonomous operations. Satellites provide essential in-theater secure communications, weather and navigational data for ground, air and fleet operations, and threat warning. Ground-based radar and Defense Support Program satellites monitor ballistic missile launches around the world to guard against a surprise attack on North America. Space surveillance radars provide vital information on the location of satellites and space debris for the nation and the world. With a readiness rate above 99 percent, America's ICBM team plays a critical role in maintaining world peace and ensuring the nation's safety and security.



    Naval Space Command (NAVSPACECOM)

    DoD Space Architect and MILSATCOM

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    Re: How Important is Space Exploration as a National Interest?

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    We won the space race and the cold war
    and we own the moon What else is there to do?
    All the stuff we dig up the earth for, most of it at least is there in space, in large quantity. And has been mentioned, it's the only way the species is going to survive long term.

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