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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But again, you are still blaming an object for the actions of a person.
    Yes, yes, guns don't kill people, people kill people. I remember that line.

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    This is one issue that has always stuck in my craw. Terrorist kill a few thousand Americans over a couple of decades and it changes everything for our country. We greatly expand federal powers, add entire departments, wage war in several countries half way around the world, further erode personal liberties, and spend trillions doing so. Why had we not dedicated as much time and resources curbing the plight at home which is far more of a risk to your average American? On the war on terror we are willing to spend a couple billion on a new warplane but ask for more money so that we can rehabilitate prisoners, which has been shown to be effective, or for more boots on the ground to enforce laws and they will tell you that it is just to expensive. We seem to be willing to go to great lengths to combat issues in far away places but turn a blind eye to those right in our back yard. Perhaps its just a little to close to home for people and perhaps they feel if they ignore it long enough it will simply go away?


    As to the OPs question. No HLS is not how I would deal with it.
    Exactly. Getting bogged down in intransigence on jurisdiction and the 2nd amendment is not an answer in how to stop the loss of life. If we were serious about addressing that problem we would frame it more as a basic human right to not have to fear gun violence where you live and work.

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Yes, yes, guns don't kill people, people kill people. I remember that line.
    Then why continue blaming an object? Why not make harsher penalties on those that commit violent acts? Why not push for better education since the more educated a person is the less likely they will commit a crime? Why not push for things that will actually reduce over all crime instead of blaming an object which millions of law abiding people use....a number which far exceeds the amount of people that commit violent crime with guns.
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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Exactly. Getting bogged down in intransigence on jurisdiction and the 2nd amendment is not an answer in how to stop the loss of life. If we were serious about addressing that problem we would frame it more as a basic human right to not have to fear gun violence where you live and work.
    This would never happen. It is an impossibility since the government would still be allowed to own and use guns. Are you going to remove guns from our military just to uphold the supposed "right to not have to fear gun violence where you live and work"??

    (assuming of course you were able to actually get all the guns away from all civilians)
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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Then why continue blaming an object? Why not make harsher penalties on those that commit violent acts? Why not push for better education since the more educated a person is the less likely they will commit a crime? Why not push for things that will actually reduce over all crime instead of blaming an object which millions of law abiding people use....a number which far exceeds the amount of people that commit violent crime with guns.
    Those are...all actually very good ideas. It's debatable if harsher penalties are a deterrence, but you are right about the rest. If you noticed, I haven't once vilified guns in this thread, but gun violence, which you seem to agree requires a response.

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Then why continue blaming an object? Why not make harsher penalties on those that commit violent acts? Why not push for better education since the more educated a person is the less likely they will commit a crime? Why not push for things that will actually reduce over all crime instead of blaming an object which millions of law abiding people use....a number which far exceeds the amount of people that commit violent crime with guns.

    I personally do not think harshness of penalties is necessarily the answer. I think instead we should be rehabilitating those that break the law. In our current system we for the most part lock them away with other like minded people who often prey on one another and expect them to come out model citizens. I feel we should put education and motivational tools in place to help them understandwhy their behavior is unacceptable instead of just telling them that it is and then making their life hell. Until they understand the why I believe all harsher sentences would do is encourage them not to get caught and not discourage the crime.

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The number of people killed by guns each year equals more than 10 9/11's. More than 2/3's are suicides.

    Several times a year a massacre like the ones perpetuated at Aurora and Newtown kill more people than the Boston Marathon Bombing.

    The threat of violence has made large parts of many cities off-limits to outsiders.

    Four US presidents have been assassinated by an assassin's bullet. Attempts have been made on 11 presidents in all.

    The NRA suggests the solution is arming more people with more guns. In a war this would be known as "escalation."

    Terrorism is an ideological threat to the US, but domestic gun violence is as much or more pressing a concern that inevitably results in more loss of life.

    Should Gun Violence be re-prioritized as a Homeland Security issue?
    No, it's a law enforcement issue. I'd be wary of creating new organizations to combat crime, something police are already charged with doing. .

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The number of people killed by guns each year equals more than 10 9/11's. More than 2/3's are suicides.

    Several times a year a massacre like the ones perpetuated at Aurora and Newtown kill more people than the Boston Marathon Bombing.

    The threat of violence has made large parts of many cities off-limits to outsiders.

    Four US presidents have been assassinated by an assassin's bullet. Attempts have been made on 11 presidents in all.

    The NRA suggests the solution is arming more people with more guns. In a war this would be known as "escalation."

    Terrorism is an ideological threat to the US, but domestic gun violence is as much or more pressing a concern that inevitably results in more loss of life.

    Should Gun Violence be re-prioritized as a Homeland Security issue?
    Should auto-accidents be categorized as a Homeland Security priority? What about domestic violence? If we were going to classify anything as a security (as opposed to legal) issue/jurisdiction I'd vote for foreign gangs which have ruined so many cities and hurt millions of Americans.

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    I agree with all the objections posted that DHS is just a behemoth that sucks resources from criminal investigations, disaster relief, etc. and devotes it to fighting terrorism.

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Those are...all actually very good ideas. It's debatable if harsher penalties are a deterrence, but you are right about the rest. If you noticed, I haven't once vilified guns in this thread, but gun violence, which you seem to agree requires a response.

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    Generalize to violence in general and not just gun violence and I'd agree.
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