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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
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    But seriously I think gangs should be much more a homeland security issue than it is. They are an organization that terrorizes communities with gun violence. The gangs themselves, not the guns, are the issue and cause the threat of violence.
    Actually the cops are the problem. We need someone that's a healthy mix of a Schwartzenegger movie character and RoboCop, give him a street-sweeper, show him to the slums and turn a blind eye.

    Dexter is a good guy. Ends justify the means.

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    False comparison. I'm talking about identifying and preventing people that want to murder other people. If it's ideological we call it terrorism, but if it isn't then it falls into this pool of crime in the US that is less sensationalized.
    Isn't that what the FBI does?

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No. Local violence is a local police matter.

    And if I were king the Dept of Homeland Security would be done away with.
    I would vote for you for King, but Homeland Security does work with local law enforcement now anyway.

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    False comparison. I'm talking about identifying and preventing people that want to murder other people. If it's ideological we call it terrorism, but if it isn't then it falls into this pool of crime in the US that is less sensationalized.
    True. You just answered your own question. DHS is not a federally created local police department (yet).
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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Isn't that what the FBI does?
    FBI resources have been mis-proportionally devoted to preventing terrorism since 9/11. That's why they no longer hunt for ghosts and aliens

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The number of people killed by guns each year equals more than 10 9/11's. More than 2/3's are suicides.

    Several times a year a massacre like the ones perpetuated at Aurora and Newtown kill more people than the Boston Marathon Bombing.

    The threat of violence has made large parts of many cities off-limits to outsiders.

    Four US presidents have been assassinated by an assassin's bullet. Attempts have been made on 11 presidents in all.

    The NRA suggests the solution is arming more people with more guns. In a war this would be known as "escalation."

    Terrorism is an ideological threat to the US, but domestic gun violence is as much or more pressing a concern that inevitably results in more loss of life.

    Should Gun Violence be re-prioritized as a Homeland Security issue?
    Nope, we should just not really worry about this terrorist thing quite as much.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Hell, I'd like to just abolish the DHS altogether, but that's neither here nor there.

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    FBI resources have been mis-proportionally devoted to preventing terrorism since 9/11. That's why they no longer hunt for ghosts and aliens
    I was wondering what happened to Mulder and Sculley??

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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The number of people killed by guns each year equals more than 10 9/11's. More than 2/3's are suicides.
    It is not illegal in the US to commit suicide. And even if you somehow prevented a person that wants to kill themselves from getting a gun they will just end up killing themselves some other way.

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Several times a year a massacre like the ones perpetuated at Aurora and Newtown kill more people than the Boston Marathon Bombing.
    Well, if we're comparing amount of people killed due to massacres then why are you using the Boston Marathon? Because it was small? How about the Oklahoma Bombing in which 168 people were killed, 680 people were injured, a 16 block blast radius that destroyed or damaged 324 buildings, destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings,[3][4] causing at least an estimated $652 million worth of damage.

    Wiki ~ Oklahoma City Bombing

    See, I can play the numbers game to. But none of that really matters. Blaming an object for the actions of a person is idiotic and disingenuous.

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The threat of violence has made large parts of many cities off-limits to outsiders.
    Threats of violence =/= gun violence. There are more deaths attributed to blunt objects and knives and various other non-projectile objects than guns. Not that it matters since threats of violence are done by people not guns or any other object.

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Four US presidents have been assassinated by an assassin's bullet. Attempts have been made on 11 presidents in all.
    Yep, and yet the 2nd Amendment was still written even though the founders knew that was a possibility. But again, you are still blaming an object for the actions of a person.

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The NRA suggests the solution is arming more people with more guns. In a war this would be known as "escalation."
    Are you saying that you think we should war against peoples rights? Because that is what gun ownership is...a Right.

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Terrorism is an ideological threat to the US, but domestic gun violence is as much or more pressing a concern that inevitably results in more loss of life.
    9/11 was no ideological threat. It was a reality. But even there, the crime happened due to people....not objects.

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Should Gun Violence be re-prioritized as a Homeland Security issue?
    Never. People committing violent crimes however....I could get behind that.
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    Re: Should Gun Violence be a Homeland Security Issue?

    This is one issue that has always stuck in my craw. Terrorist kill a few thousand Americans over a couple of decades and it changes everything for our country. We greatly expand federal powers, add entire departments, wage war in several countries half way around the world, further erode personal liberties, and spend trillions doing so. Why had we not dedicated as much time and resources curbing the plight at home which is far more of a risk to your average American? On the war on terror we are willing to spend a couple billion on a new warplane but ask for more money so that we can rehabilitate prisoners, which has been shown to be effective, or for more boots on the ground to enforce laws and they will tell you that it is just to expensive. We seem to be willing to go to great lengths to combat issues in far away places but turn a blind eye to those right in our back yard. Perhaps its just a little to close to home for people and perhaps they feel if they ignore it long enough it will simply go away?


    As to the OPs question. No HLS is not how I would deal with it.

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