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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Aint the left that does that.

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    Spare me the lefts obsession to make out the majority of the white race as racists.
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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are changing your requirement, I showed that a "large portion of all whites living in the United States did not support equality."

    A "majority" (greater than 50%) of Whites did not support equal rights for Blacks prior and after the Civil War. A "large portion" (between 50% and 20%) of Whites did not support equal rights for Blacks in the 1960's.... as I have shown multiple times.

    Stop moving your goalpost and accept the fact that it has only been recently that racist views have been isolated to a small portion of US Whites.
    all you showed that was a "large portion" of the people who responded to the poll did not support equal rights back in the 60s
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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Aint the left that does that.
    So it's just a select few. Thanks for confirming that much.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I haven't moved the goal post. I'm interested in keeping the information factual and not biased and manipulated, as your proving a want to do.

    In fact, your own data indicated earlier in the selection that 90% of the public in the Pacific Region in 1964 were in favor of equal rights, 91% in the mid-Atlantic, 88% in the East North Central, 91% in New England, etc, etc,. Who do you think lived in those regions.
    Once again, you are changing the goal post, the previous goal post was "equality" for blacks. I showed that the US population was not in favor of the fed govt enforcing equal access to public accommodations, ie private businesses that serve the public at large could discriminate based on race. Restaurants, theaters, etc could not serve customers on the basis of race.

    What you found was data on Equal Employment Opportunity, ie whether a business should be able to discriminate on hiring based on race. This is the other side of the coin, the public felt that you should not be able to discriminate against a person based on race on his being able to earn a dollar......but as I showed, how (where) a person is able to spend that dollar was still a matter where discrimination could occur.

    When anyone says "equality", it should be in every aspect of how one lives, not just a certain aspect.




    Spare me the lefts obsession to make out the majority of the white race as racists.
    Again, the same straw argument you made previously, I never claimed "majority", I countered your claim that "large portions" were not racists. They are when they did not believe in "all" equality.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    all you showed that was a "large portion" of the people who responded to the poll did not support equal rights back in the 60s
    Precisely, it was to counter the previous claim:

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    It may or may not be accurate to suggest a large portion of whites living in the South did not support equality, but it's another thing to suggest a large portion of all whites living in the United States did not support equality.

    That's rewritting history, and this issue has had more than enough of that done.
    Is the argument going to be that the polling done by Gallup and Harris on national levels did not accurately reflect the attitude of the country?

    If that is the argument, then was the roughly 30% opposition to the Civil Rights Act in Congress also a "fluke"?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Once again, you are changing the goal post, the previous goal post was "equality" for blacks. I showed that the US population was not in favor of the fed govt enforcing equal access to public accommodations, ie private businesses that serve the public at large could discriminate based on race. Restaurants, theaters, etc could not serve customers on the basis of race.

    What you found was data on Equal Employment Opportunity, ie whether a business should be able to discriminate on hiring based on race. This is the other side of the coin, the public felt that you should not be able to discriminate against a person based on race on his being able to earn a dollar......but as I showed, how (where) a person is able to spend that dollar was still a matter where discrimination could occur.

    When anyone says "equality", it should be in every aspect of how one lives, not just a certain aspect.




    Again, the same straw argument you made previously, I never claimed "majority", I countered your claim that "large portions" were not racists. They are when they did not believe in "all" equality.

    What is apparent is that some people have a narrative they are obsessed with, and will ignore everything to cling to it.

    Again, thank you for illustrating this fact quite succinctly.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    What is apparent is that some people have a narrative they are obsessed with, and will ignore everything to cling to it.

    Again, thank you for illustrating this fact quite succinctly.
    The fact remains that in the 1960s a LARGE PORTION of the US population did not believe in equal rights.

    Apparently, some folks have an obsession in avoiding this inconvenient fact.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The fact remains that in the 1960s a LARGE PORTION of the US population did not believe in equal rights.

    Apparently, some folks have an obsession in avoiding this inconvenient fact.


    Apparently, at least some people are unable to grasp the importance of specificity when attempting to make a point. Considering the topic, rational minds would understand how damaging generalizations can be.

    The fact remains, a small percentage of the white population in the United States was opposed to equality for Blacks in the 1960's. The evidence you have supplied supports this fact.

    Frankly, I'm really not enterested in observing any additional evidence of the racist bigotry that unfortunately still exists in the United States today.

    Perhaps it's best to leave off here, rather than witness further evidence of this fact.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post


    Apparently, at least some people are unable to grasp the importance of specificity when attempting to make a point. Considering the topic, rational minds would understand how damaging generalizations can be.

    The fact remains, a small percentage of the white population in the United States was opposed to equality for Blacks in the 1960's. The evidence you have supplied supports this fact.

    Frankly, I'm really not enterested in observing any additional evidence of the racist bigotry that unfortunately still exists in the United States today.

    Perhaps it's best to leave off here, rather than witness further evidence of this fact.
    I have no idea what your criteria is for " large portion", you did not object to my describing it as 50%-30%, and the data I provided shows this clearly....but I understand why you need to change data points, move goal posts, etc....it is due to your obsession to avoid changing your mind. You need to hold to the idea that large portions of the US population did not have racist views in the 1960's. The fact that you continue to want to avoid this evidence is proof of not wanting to face history.... reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I have no idea what your criteria is for " large portion", you did not object to my describing it as 50%-30%, and the data I provided shows this clearly....but I understand why you need to change data points, move goal posts, etc....it is due to your obsession to avoid changing your mind. You need to hold to the idea that large portions of the US population did not have racist views in the 1960's. The fact that you continue to want to avoid this evidence is proof of not wanting to face history.... reality.

    As I wrote, I'm not interested in playing games with such an important issue. I'll leave that to the racist bigots who have become familiar sights on these threads.

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