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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Well it turns out I know less about him than I thought I did. I suppose in this case we have a few things to disagree about. Based on what YOU understand (in an effort to not have to research his life's work) how far did MLK think these reparations should go, and for how long? We have affirmative action in the workplace and in schools, we have a welfare system that favors minorities, we even have a Congressional Black Caucus. So how far (in MLK's estimation) far enough? And what kind of effort on the part of the black community is acceptable? The I Have a Dream speech clearly stated that we (they? All of us?) should do the best we can do at whatever station of life we achieved. Would you consider that a prerequisite?

    I would suggest that programs designed to enhance personal ambition would require ambition to begin with. Not to say there is none, but how much is enough to "deserve" for lack of a better word, a hand up?
    MLK believed, as many others on the left do today, that only equality of outcome indicates that "true" equality of opportunity exists. MLK's goal (measure of progress?) was stated as - if 30% of the area population is black then 30% of all jobs, houses, businesses and etc. in the area would be held by blacks.
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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    MLK believed, as many others on the left do today, that only equality of outcome indicates that "true" equality of opportunity exists. MLK's goal (measure of progress?) was stated as - if 30% of the area population is black then 30% of all jobs, houses, businesses and etc. in the area would be held by blacks.
    Even if they don't show up to work? Because that would suggest that if they did not the fair thing to do would be to fire people of other ethnicities until the balance is made. I'm not suggesting you could speak to his intentions, I'm suggesting that a man who was obviously intelligent (MLK) would not want equality at the detriment of the community at large.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    MLK believed, as many others on the left do today, that only equality of outcome indicates that "true" equality of opportunity exists. MLK's goal (measure of progress?) was stated as - if 30% of the area population is black then 30% of all jobs, houses, businesses and etc. in the area would be held by blacks.
    and there-in lies the rub. "they" don't really want equal opportunity. what they want is equal outcome, regardless of effort.
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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Nor am I. I just reject the attempt to re-write history. Perhaps it would be wise for some on the left to avoid doing so, especially when their own evidence condemns them.

    Thanks for the effort.
    You are in denial that "a large portion" of the US population was not in favor of equality.

    That has been made evidently clear by my effort.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    MLK believed, as many others on the left do today, that only equality of outcome indicates that "true" equality of opportunity exists. MLK's goal (measure of progress?) was stated as - if 30% of the area population is black then 30% of all jobs, houses, businesses and etc. in the area would be held by blacks.
    prove it.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bolded is the myth of MLK, not the reality. MLK spoke often of reparations, affirmative action and social justice (socialism?). Eveyone quotes the "I have a dream" speech and ignores the "Social Justice and the New Age" speech given 4 months after that.

    Some not so often repeated MLK quotes for you to ponder:







    Myths of Martin Luther King –



    The Forgotten Teachings of Martin Luther King - by Paul Rockwell / Human & Civil Rights /In Motion Magazine







    Martin Luther King, Jr. - Wikiquote.
    MLK, who I greatly admire, did not stand for everything I would have stood for but its not probable you're going to agree with everything someone you admire advanced. I can't say enough of my appreciation for MLK for doing more to make America a place where blacks have unlimited potential to pursue their dreams. Blacks like me get to experience the American dream because of his leadership and sacrifice before I was even born. At the same time I'm not on board with the anti-poverty programs he also help champion. I agree poverty was and continue to be a serious problem and blacks were disproportionately affected due to centuries of discrimination but incentivizing the break up of black families by making "No Dad Allowed In the Home" a condition of eligibility for children to get something to eat was and continues to be one of the most destructive policies the government has ever advanced. What we should have incentivized was hard work, education, vocational training, entrepreneurship, responsibility and good citizenship.
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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are in denial that "a large portion" of the US population was not in favor of equality.

    That has been made evidently clear by my effort.
    No.

    But there is one thing that has been made evidently clear by your effort.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and there-in lies the rub. "they" don't really want equal opportunity. what they want is equal outcome, regardless of effort.
    That is why I wonder about the details of his (MLK) position. A clearly intelligent man, I doubt that he would prefer equal representation in the workplace without equal effort. It seems to me he would expect all things to be equal if equal effort were exerted. He was speaking against discrimination, not position without effort. I also think he was talking to a community who WANTED to be equal, who understood and respected the context of his Dream speech, not those who expend little or no effort and expect a handout. He encouraged his audience to be the best they could be at whatever they did, not to sit at home, abandon their children and expect a check.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    MLK, who I greatly admire, did not stand for everything I would have stood for but its not probable you're going to agree with everything someone you admire advanced. I can't say enough of my appreciation for MLK for doing more to make America a place where blacks have unlimited potential to pursue their dreams. Blacks like me get to experience the American dream because of his leadership and sacrifice before I was even born. At the same time I'm not on board with the anti-poverty programs he also help champion. I agree poverty was and continue to be a serious problem and blacks were disproportionately affected due to centuries of discrimination but incentivizing the break up of black families by making "No Dad Allowed In the Home" a condition of eligibility for children to get something to eat was and continues to be one of the most destructive policies the government has ever advanced. What we should have incentivized was hard work, education, vocational training, entrepreneurship, responsibility and good citizenship.
    Just out of curiousity Smeagol, what is your current position in life?

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No.
    Yes, actually. You are still denying it.

    But there is one thing that has been made evidently clear by your effort.
    Yes, that you are in denial.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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