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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    As I wrote, I'm not interested in playing games with such an important issue. I'll leave that to the racist bigots who have become familiar sights on these threads.
    I'm not playing, and I am not in denial of the racism that existed.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It was never determined who hired the guy. Terrible FBI investigation. Lots of unanswered questions.
    Well...Ray did claim it was Raul, or Ramone, after he had already confessed and run...but I tend to believe most conspiracy theories are just that.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I'm not playing, and I am not in denial of the racism that existed.
    Nor am I. I just reject the attempt to re-write history. Perhaps it would be wise for some on the left to avoid doing so, especially when their own evidence condemns them.

    Thanks for the effort.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    He was killed because of his beliefs.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    He was killed because of his beliefs.
    He wasn't killed because of his beliefs he was killed because he and his views of racial equality were a threat to a way of life in 1960's America that many were unwilling to accept and some still are.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He wasn't killed because of his beliefs he was killed because he and his views of racial equality were a threat to a way of life in 1960's America that many were unwilling to accept and some still are.
    Would you read back what you just posted and let me know the difference between his views and his beliefs?

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Would you read back what you just posted and let me know the difference between his views and his beliefs?
    I see them differently - his views were of racial equality. His beliefs were of a Christian God. In my opinion, beliefs shape views - but they are not the same. You might think that's silly but that's how I see it.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    He was assassinated because he was a high-profile black man who fought for equality.
    I still get a shiver when I hear him speak. He was a great leader with a vision of equality that does not involve preferential treatment of any group. Too often today when we hear about a fight for "equality" what is really meant is preferential treatment. MLK spoke for true equality and called for the black community to achieve it by example, not handouts. I would suggest that the civil rights movement proposed by MLK is every bit as rejected by the black community as it is by anyone else, perhaps more so. Based on my customers and friends here in north Georgia many of the white people I know have every advantage I do, and yet many of them live in poverty while I own a business and will likely retire well by design. It is not because I am whiter, it is because I risked more and worked harder. The same applies to the black community. Clearly many have risen further (the President and Dr Ben Carson come immediately to mind) so it is possible. If equality was based simply on decree the black community would look exactly like any other community statistically. There is obviously something missing. Successful black individuals are often denigrated by their own community as sellouts or worse. Racism is alive and well in America, but more so within communities than from outside of them. Otherwise people like Carson would be embraced by their own. And yeah, I would definitely vote for Carson based on what I know about him. He is a smart and reasonable man who just happens to be black.

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    I still get a shiver when I hear him speak. He was a great leader with a vision of equality that does not involve preferential treatment of any group. Too often today when we hear about a fight for "equality" what is really meant is preferential treatment. MLK spoke for true equality and called for the black community to achieve it by example, not handouts. I would suggest that the civil rights movement proposed by MLK is every bit as rejected by the black community as it is by anyone else, perhaps more so. Based on my customers and friends here in north Georgia many of the white people I know have every advantage I do, and yet many of them live in poverty while I own a business and will likely retire well by design. It is not because I am whiter, it is because I risked more and worked harder. The same applies to the black community. Clearly many have risen further (the President and Dr Ben Carson come immediately to mind) so it is possible. If equality was based simply on decree the black community would look exactly like any other community statistically. There is obviously something missing. Successful black individuals are often denigrated by their own community as sellouts or worse. Racism is alive and well in America, but more so within communities than from outside of them. Otherwise people like Carson would be embraced by their own. And yeah, I would definitely vote for Carson based on what I know about him. He is a smart and reasonable man who just happens to be black.
    The bolded is the myth of MLK, not the reality. MLK spoke often of reparations, affirmative action and social justice (socialism?). Eveyone quotes the "I have a dream" speech and ignores the "Social Justice and the New Age" speech given 4 months after that.

    Some not so often repeated MLK quotes for you to ponder:

    A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis.
    If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas.
    You can't talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can't talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You're really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry… Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong…with capitalism… There must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a Democratic Socialism.
    Myths of Martin Luther King –

    Reporter: "Do you feel it's fair to request a multi-billion dollar program of preferential treatment for the Negro, or any other minority?"

    Dr. King: "I do indeed...Within common law, we have ample precedents for special compensatory programs. ... America adopted a policy of special treatment for her millions of veterans...They could negotiate loans from banks to launch businesses. They could receive special points to place them ahead in competition for civil service jobs...There was no appreciable resentment of the preferential treatment being given to the special group."
    The Forgotten Teachings of Martin Luther King - by Paul Rockwell / Human & Civil Rights /In Motion Magazine

    Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.
    The labor movement was the principal force that transformed misery and despair into hope and progress. Out of its bold struggles, economic and social reform gave birth to unemployment insurance, old-age pensions, government relief for the destitute and, above all, new wage levels that meant not mere survival but a tolerable life. The captains of industry did not lead this transformation; they resisted it until they were overcome. When in the thirties the wave of union organization crested over the nation, it carried to secure shores not only itself but the whole society.
    While we are mindful of the shocking fact that less than one-half of all non-white workers are covered by the Fair Labor Standards Act, we do not speak for Negro workers only. A living wage should be the right of all working Americans, and this is what we wish to urge upon our Congressmen and Senators as they now prepare to deal with this legislation.
    Martin Luther King, Jr. - Wikiquote.
    The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: why do you think MLK was killed ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The bolded is the myth of MLK, not the reality. MLK spoke often of reparations, affirmative action and social justice (socialism?). Eveyone quotes the "I have a dream" speech and ignores the "Social Justice and the New Age" speech given 4 months after that.

    Some not so often repeated MLK quotes for you to ponder:







    Myths of Martin Luther King –



    The Forgotten Teachings of Martin Luther King - by Paul Rockwell / Human & Civil Rights /In Motion Magazine







    Martin Luther King, Jr. - Wikiquote.
    Well it turns out I know less about him than I thought I did. I suppose in this case we have a few things to disagree about. Based on what YOU understand (in an effort to not have to research his life's work) how far did MLK think these reparations should go, and for how long? We have affirmative action in the workplace and in schools, we have a welfare system that favors minorities, we even have a Congressional Black Caucus. So how far (in MLK's estimation) far enough? And what kind of effort on the part of the black community is acceptable? The I Have a Dream speech clearly stated that we (they? All of us?) should do the best we can do at whatever station of life we achieved. Would you consider that a prerequisite?

    I would suggest that programs designed to enhance personal ambition would require ambition to begin with. Not to say there is none, but how much is enough to "deserve" for lack of a better word, a hand up?

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