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Who Is More Credible?

Who Is More Credible?

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AngryOldGuy said:
In my whole life I'd never in a million years think I'd side with the Russian leader on anything
Then we elected a guy named Hussein as President yeah we're screwed blued n tattooed

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i don't give a flying fishcake what putin thinks. Russia is selling weapons to syrian regime, the russians have contributed less then 1% to the total humanitarian effort to aid syrian refugees.

http://fts.unocha.org/reports/daily/ocha_R24_E16303___1309050101.pdf

Russia is earning money from this war, every weapon and bullet the Russians sell to the Syrian regime ends up killing more people.

I trust obama because he at least cares about the plight of the syrian people, something Putin ignores.
 
The fact that people would actually consider Putin to be credible astounds me.

I don't like Obama, but God, certainly him above Putin.
 
Medusa said:
can we compare CİA to kgb ,mossad ,mi5 ?:mrgreen:
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No, we cannot. There's absolutely no equivalency between the KGB/NKVD/Cheka and any other secret police or spy shop in the world - except for the Nazi Gestapo, maybe.

For all their sins, none of those other agencies had never executed a genocidal extermination of the best and most decent people in their own countries, on an epic scale.

Nobody who ever had any kind of career within the KGB has any credibility, on any issue. Zero. Forever. Those people are the worst scum imaginable.

Just my typically humble opinion.
 
Cyrylek said:
No, we cannot. There's absolutely no equivalency between the KGB/NKVD/Cheka and any other secret police or spy shop in the world - except for the Nazi Gestapo, maybe.

For all their sins, none of those other agencies had never executed a genocidal extermination of the best and most decent people in their own countries, on an epic scale.

Nobody who ever had any kind of career within the KGB has any credibility, on any issue. Zero. Forever. Those people are the worst scum imaginable.

Just my typically humble opinion.
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what kind of people for instance ?
 
First and foremost, "credible" doesn't necessarily mean correct.

I don't believe Pres. Obama would lie about intelligence suggesting that Syria did use chemical weapons whereas there is little I believe Putin wouldn't lie about if it suited him. I think the former has made a very strong case but there is little real way to verify that case without boots on the ground. It could turn out that the intelligent (and Obama) is wrong but that doesn't mean Putin's information is correct either. I personally believe the latter will do anything to advance his own career.
 
Cyrylek said:
Those people are the worst scum imaginable
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you are quite correct so imagine my confusion when I see the Russian leader making more sense
than the supposed leader of the free world?
 
Dapper Andy said:
First and foremost, "credible" doesn't necessarily mean correct.

I don't believe Pres. Obama would lie about intelligence suggesting that Syria did use chemical weapons whereas there is little I believe Putin wouldn't lie about if it suited him. I think the former has made a very strong case but there is little real way to verify that case without boots on the ground. It could turn out that the intelligent (and Obama) is wrong but that doesn't mean Putin's information is correct either. I personally believe the latter will do anything to advance his own career.
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Interesting that you still have so much faith in Obama after all that has been revealed. I also am amazed at how firmly the "Other" mentality is rooted into the American psyche. The latter, that being Putin, doesn't need to do anything to advance his career, if his career since it hit the national stage has shown us anything it has shown us he advances his career how and when he sees fit. Obama on the other hand has obligations and a legacy and history which most certainly put his credibility into question.

Because Obama is wrong doesn't mean Putin is right, because Obama has no credibility doesn't mean that Putin does. These aren't pertinent to the question asked as a value judgement, that being which one is more credible.
 
ChezC3 said:
Interesting that you still have so much faith in Obama after all that has been revealed. I also am amazed at how firmly the "Other" mentality is rooted into the American psyche. The latter, that being Putin, doesn't need to do anything to advance his career, if his career since it hit the national stage has shown us anything it has shown us he advances his career how and when he sees fit. Obama on the other hand has obligations and a legacy and history which most certainly put his credibility into question.

Because Obama is wrong doesn't mean Putin is right, because Obama has no credibility doesn't mean that Putin does. These aren't pertinent to the question asked as a value judgement, that being which one is more credible.
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I wouldn't say that I have so much faith in Pres. Obama.

I just don't think he would press for military intervention if the intelligence didn't support his position. It's not like he's held strong in his convictions. He's flip flopped all over the place and has now kicked it to Congress while making a weak attempt to distance himself from his "red line" comments. I suspect we're only days away from him insisting he "inherited this mess" as Carvell certainly laid the blame on Bush while on O'Reilly. Plus, if he were merely engaging in some sort of wagging the dog play and Putin's intelligence is correct that it was the opposition who used chemical weapons, then he could just as easily have gone after the opposition for the same political advantage.

I'm not sure what "'Other' mentality" you're referring to but, unless you're just too much of a partisan fool to bother responding to anymore, Putin has pretty much shown he's willing to go to any lengths to keep himself relevant. Just for laughs, go over to Google, type in "Putin jails", and look at all the different results autocorrect gives you.
 
Dapper Andy said:
Plus, if he were merely engaging in some sort of wagging the dog play and Putin's intelligence is correct that it was the opposition who used chemical weapons, then he could just as easily have gone after the opposition for the same political advantage.

I'm not sure what "'Other' mentality" you're referring to but, unless you're just too much of a partisan fool to bother responding to anymore, Putin has pretty much shown he's willing to go to any lengths to keep himself relevant. Just for laughs, go over to Google, type in "Putin jails", and look at all the different results autocorrect gives you.
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I think it has been demonstrated that Putin can have a smoking gun and if Obama said it ain't so, than many would say "oh, that rascal Putin..he's at it again..." If the intelligence is correct, no Obama doesn't have any political advantage, he'll look like a fool and an imbecile. The narrative would pop up that he is in the bag for the MIC just like Bush, or that he really has been a sleeper cell muslim all along.

Do you see how moronic it is to in one breath to say you don't understand something and in the very same sentence suppose someone's a fool? You do see that, don't you?

In any event you've shown yourself not worth the time for further discussion. Good Day!
 
I could not watch that till I got home, but how do you know they are chemical weapons? Seems to me like if I was handling chemical weapons I would have my gas mask and gear on. You know, just in case.
WCH said:
Then who are these cats? (notice that those are not rockets but projectiles...they would be hard to track without a trail)

Syrian "rebels" are firing chemical weapons. - YouTube
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ChezC3 said:
Now news is out that Russia has a 100 page report showing that it was the rebels who did the gasing, not Assad. Putin has said, it makes little logical sense for Assad to attack his own people when the momentum has been in his favor and knowing that the world would come down hard, especially the US.

Russia says it's compiled 100-page report blaming Syrian rebels for a chemical weapons attack | McClatchy

So who is more credible? Obama or Putin?
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Depends on which one provides verifiable evidence and measurement.
 
mak2 said:
I could not watch that till I got home, but how do you know they are chemical weapons? Seems to me like if I was handling chemical weapons I would have my gas mask and gear on. You know, just in case.
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I have no idea who they are and neither does anyone else. That would be my point actually.

All I do know is our satellites would be hard pressed to track those projectiles. I also saw the remains of one on NBC same day as the attack.
 
ChezC3 said:
Obama has a reputation and record of both ineptitude and incompetence along with deliberate deception, let's not allow the home team bias to completely ruin things... The question was correct, because it is the one I wanted an answer to.
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In that case, you should be pleased. You got my answer. If it wasn't the one you wanted, because of your "home team bias", maybe you should have only put one name in your "poll". :)
 
DiAnna said:
In that case, you should be pleased. You got my answer. If it wasn't the one you wanted, because of your "home team bias", maybe you should have only put one name in your "poll". :)
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I am pleased because as always, it has been a pleasure... :kissy:
 
War does indeed make for strange bedfellows. Who would had thunk that many Libertarians, Independents and closet right wingers would support an old KGB hoodrat like Putin.
 
Who'd a thunk America would elect an affirmative action President (twice fer christ's sakes) that would side with terrorists?

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OK so Obammer is winning the poll
can someone tell me what he is being credible about?
The guy talks out both sides of his mouth and flip flops daily
WTF is he really being credible about?
 
AngryOldGuy said:
Who'd a thunk America would elect an affirmative action President (twice fer christ's sakes) that would side with terrorists?

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Conspiracy theories? We hadn't even gotten to 50 posts yet.
 
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