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    Re: Who Is More Credible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    That's like asking what tastes better in a comparison between maggot infested rotten bologna, and a sweaty giraffe dong.
    what do you prefer?

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    Re: Who Is More Credible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    what do you prefer?
    I'll let the partisans have that menu. This is nothing more than political posturing, where both sides are wrong for reasons they'll never understand.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: Who Is More Credible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    cyrlec ,they are both decent and unreliable ?
    With all due respect, you don't understand. Which is a good thing: I wouldn't wish on anyone this kind of understanding - that comes only from experience.

    Let me illustrate.

    When I was a kid, growing up on the sooty northern outskirts of Moscow, there wasn't anything "zierlich manierlich" about our "social interactions". My American friends will understand a comparison with South Bronx...I guess there must be a "hood" like that in Constantinople or Ankara as well...Insults were flying around, fierce territorial competition turning even 10-year-olds into little gangsters, all that...Ethnic slurs, suggestions of most gruesome deviancy, graphic descriptions of your mother's sexual practices - - - well, not pretty, and sometimes truly dangerous, but nothing an honest fistfight and a couple of black eyes could not solve...usually.

    Now... if anyone - any of the little kids in that blighted tiny corner of the Soviet empire - would say "Your father works for the KGB" - that would be it. Crash. All music stops now. This is an entirely different level. If the accusation turns out to be false, nobody will ever talk to the accuser again. Literally. If true...I am not 10 anymore, and I know now that children are not responsible for what their parents might have done. But I do remember how my 10-year-old street-urchin self reacted to one such revelation: "What?! X is a KGB spawn?! But...but...we were supposed to fight tonight, till the first blood, etc-?! Touching a KGB boy, in any way?! I would rather clean latrines, with my bare hands, for the rest of my life!..."

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    Re: Who Is More Credible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    Like for the Harry Potter reference but not the comparison...Lord Voldemort killed Dumbledore so he is very loathesome and evil, neither Obama nor Putin killed Dumbledore so they are okay

    As for the OP I'm going to have to side with my President, he has nothing to gain by attacking Syria, Putin has everything to gain by lying about the rebels.
    ???

    Running the Russians out of Syrian. Tens of BILLIONS to be made off going to war against Syria. Keeping the military complex happy. Not crossing the neocons in the CIA/NSA. Diversion from economic and domestic issues. Gaining war patriotic support as people get to "pick" between the USA and him or Putin and Russia - to just name a few things Obama gains.

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    Re: Who Is More Credible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Now news is out that Russia has a 100 page report showing that it was the rebels who did the gasing, not Assad. Putin has said, it makes little logical sense for Assad to attack his own people when the momentum has been in his favor and knowing that the world would come down hard, especially the US.

    Russia says it's compiled 100-page report blaming Syrian rebels for a chemical weapons attack | McClatchy

    So who is more credible? Obama or Putin?
    They are both politicians so the answer is neither.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Who Is More Credible?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They are both politicians so the answer is neither.
    That's the easy way out...

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    Re: Who Is More Credible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I'll let the partisans have that menu. This is nothing more than political posturing, where both sides are wrong for reasons they'll never understand.
    I know this will ruin my good friend Cy's morning blintzes but, We know Obama is a liar. We know he has misled us. We know he has went behind our backs, he's a shyster, we know this. We also know about Putin. We know what the US Government wants us to know about him. That's what we know about him. And yet people still believe. People still refuse to believe, people enjoy the illusion...

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    Re: Who Is More Credible?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Well, since Obama hasn't released a series of bare-chested photo ops in which he has claimed to kill a tiger (which was already dead), catch a giant fish (that was prepared for the photo shoot by others), faking a karate throw, sleeping in the snow with wolves, posing with a dead polar bear (which he did not kill), etc., then I'm gonna go with Obama's credibility over Putin.
    1. the only reason that the tiger was already dead was because it knew Putin was hunting it, and it died of terror. ditto for the polar bear.

    2. putin left the opening ceremony of the Olympics to go invade a country. cmon. That's Panache.

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    Re: Who Is More Credible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I know this will ruin my good friend Cy's morning blintzes but, We know Obama is a liar. We know he has misled us. We know he has went behind our backs, he's a shyster, we know this. We also know about Putin. We know what the US Government wants us to know about him. That's what we know about him. And yet people still believe. People still refuse to believe, people enjoy the illusion...
    1. Obama is a politician.
    1a. despite what people think about his speaking abilities, however, he's actually a pretty crappy liar. He (and those around him, who feed the self-regard) forgets that not everyone will simply accept whatever he tells them, and so they always underestimate their need for support and underestimate the willingness of others to highlight discordant facts.

    2. Putin, however, is not only a politician, he's a former KGB operative. The man can not only lie, he can lie so well that you would sell your mother to defend the lie, and then he would force you to actually sell your mother, only because it would entertain him in between staring kodiak bears to death.


    Honestly, I'm saying this as a guy who thinks the man is an amateurish boob who found his way into office by a horrible confluence of factors, Obama is more credible here than Putin is.

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    Re: Who Is More Credible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Monserrat View Post
    Like for the Harry Potter reference but not the comparison...Lord Voldemort killed Dumbledore so he is very loathesome and evil, neither Obama nor Putin killed Dumbledore so they are okay
    Fail. Severus Snape killed Dumbledore. It is known.

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