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So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

How is "Smart Power" working out for the United States?

  • Smart Power has made incredible foreign policy gains for us

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Smart Power helped us "reset" relations with Russia et al.

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Smart Power works, but turned out to be Bush Doctrine Lite

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • We are so screwed that we now lose no matter WHAT we do

    Votes: 17 81.0%
  • Total voters
    21
Gimmesometruth said:
Yeah, i think that is it...you admitted as much.

Oh gawd, like you have not done the same in nearly every exchange between us, hypocrite much?Ocean...gee you are sensitive A reference to clouding the discussion IS NOT a personal insult, FFS!Your arguments do not...AND I EXPLAINED WHY THEY DO NOT...and that is not a personal insult, live with it.Um, it is your "Standard operating procedure" in our debates.....was that really hard to understand?
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No, like your opinion I rejected regarding manufacturing in the US, I don't think you're correct.

Thanks for trying though.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Apparently it did not translate well.
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Yep. The part about not drawing the red line and the world doing that must have really meant, "this is all YOUR fault". You have a point. It's pretty dull as points go. I wouldn't invest a lot of time sharpening it.
 
humbolt said:
Yep. The part about not drawing the red line and the world doing that must have really meant, "this is all YOUR fault". You have a point. It's pretty dull as points go. I wouldn't invest a lot of time sharpening it.
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Wow.

You just admitted that is how you interpreted "The world drew the line".

Let me help you, you see in 1993 we and nearly every other country signed on to the latest ban on chem weapons (which goes back to before WWI), so, you see, the line existed for a long time.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Wow.

You just admitted that is how you interpreted "The world drew the line".

Let me help you, you see in 1993 we and nearly every other country signed on to the latest ban on chem weapons (which goes back to before WWI), so, you see, the line existed for a long time.
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The existence of a ban which is endorsed by most countries does not include a provision demanding military action against the offender. You can play around with the words all you wish, if it makes you feel the smart power coursing through your veins. The rest of the world apparently doesn't share Obama's view that an attack is necessarily the best way to go. There are other options, some of which Obama dithered away a few years back. That makes his prescription now viewed through a skeptical lens. I guess Hillary took the damn "Reset" button with her when she left. Typical.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Wow.

You just admitted that is how you interpreted "The world drew the line".

Let me help you, you see in 1993 we and nearly every other country signed on to the latest ban on chem weapons (which goes back to before WWI), so, you see, the line existed for a long time.
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Did Syria sign that treaty/ban?
 
humbolt said:
Obama dithered away a few years back
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hah yeah we've been on the wrong side of the supposed Arab spring from the start!
We grown ups knew how this would turn out from the beginning.
The 'smart power' folks still haven't the vaguest clue about what is going on.

wanna take bets on what lies just up ahead round the next bend?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Wonderful, since they did not, they are entitled to use them.

Next up, Iran & NK are not part of START I or II.
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I'm more in favor in bombing the **** out of Iran nuclear facilities than spanking Syria for their alleged transgression...
 
humbolt said:
The existence of a ban which is endorsed by most countries does not include a provision demanding military action against the offender. You can play around with the words all you wish, if it makes you feel the smart power coursing through your veins. The rest of the world apparently doesn't share Obama's view that an attack is necessarily the best way to go. There are other options, some of which Obama dithered away a few years back. That makes his prescription now viewed through a skeptical lens. I guess Hillary took the damn "Reset" button with her when she left. Typical.
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No, typical is making a damned if you don't, damned if you do argument. It is irrational and hypocritical.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I'm more in favor in bombing the **** out of Iran nuclear facilities than spanking Syria for their alleged transgression...
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Well you have a line for nukes....but chemical weapons....meh...not so much.

So principled.

OF course, you bypassed your previous "treaty" argument.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Well you have a line for nukes....but chemical weapons....meh...not so much.

So principled.
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Not really, Iran is the country financing and actively supporting everything Syria is doing...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Not really, Iran is the country financing and actively supporting everything Syria is doing...
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Is this a backpedal towards taking action against Syria? IS your previous "treaty" argument going to be addressed or are you just trolling?
 
AngryOldGuy said:
hah yeah we've been on the wrong side of the supposed Arab spring from the start!
We grown ups knew how this would turn out from the beginning.
The 'smart power' folks still haven't the vaguest clue about what is going on.

wanna take bets on what lies just up ahead round the next bend?
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No. I think we know.... Arab Spring. Sounds a lot like Irish Spring - the soap. Selling soap has gone big time in the smart power crowd. We have to ask ourselves exactly who has a lower approval rating than Obama? Then we have to ask ourselves where Obama went to get the approval that his international effort failed to achieve. Nut cutting time is approaching. It's no accident that the House leadership rolled - right off the bat.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
No, typical is making a damned if you don't, damned if you do argument. It is irrational and hypocritical.
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That's Obama's argument. Not mine. He stepped in it. I didn't. Damn. Are you absolutely certain you aren't Obama. Check the mirror. See, without an international media as complaint as ours, he's really like a duck out of water. The foxes are waiting.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Is this a backpedal towards taking action against Syria? IS your previous "treaty" argument going to be addressed or are you just trolling?
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No backpedaling. As previously posted I'm all for an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities since they are the puppet master behind every action Syria takes...
 
humbolt said:
No. I think we know.... Arab Spring. Sounds a lot like Irish Spring - the soap. Selling soap has gone big time in the smart power crowd. We have to ask ourselves exactly who has a lower approval rating than Obama? Then we have to ask ourselves where Obama went to get the approval that his international effort failed to achieve. Nut cutting time is approaching. It's no accident that the House leadership rolled - right off the bat.
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that is because congress has worse approval rateings then anything, well except castro.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
No backpedaling. As previously posted I'm all for an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities since they are the puppet master behind every action Syria takes...
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Ah, so Iran is to blame....for Syria's chem weapon use.

You can't address your previous "treaty" comment......so you decide to go with another whopper.

Wow.
 
you say gimme some truth and when it is provided you say: lies Lies it's all LIES's!
what a mutha to do?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
No, typical is making a damned if you don't, damned if you do argument. It is irrational and hypocritical.
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Obama put himself and the country in that position. As I said, it's his argument to make, and right now he's not doing very well. Look. If Obama wants to play in the Med bathtub, he can't lead from behind, leave a mess everywhere he does it, and expect the whole ****ing world to line up behind him when he decides it's time to bring the rubber duckies to the pool. Do you really think that our allies can't see what's happened in Libya, Egypt, and the rest? He made this mess. Now he wants to spread it around? It isn't going to happen. To all the world it looks as if we're spreading chaos in a region that has enough tinder to engulf the planet.
 
I wanna know why the US thought it was the right thing to do too provide a beellion bucks
and advanced weaponry to the terrorists in Syria and then get their panties inna wad over
a lil bug spray release?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Ah, so Iran is to blame....for Syria's chem weapon use.

You can't address your previous "treaty" comment......so you decide to go with another whopper.

Wow.
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Sorry, I can not find an equivalency between chemical weapons and nuclear weapons. Assad would already be gone without Iranian support, and then who the hell knows what faction would control the chemical weapons. The bigger threat in the region is Iran. I'm sorry this little tidbit escapes you...
 
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