View Poll Results: How is "Smart Power" working out for the United States?

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  • Smart Power has made incredible foreign policy gains for us

    1 4.17%
  • Smart Power helped us "reset" relations with Russia et al.

    2 8.33%
  • Smart Power works, but turned out to be Bush Doctrine Lite

    2 8.33%
  • We are so screwed that we now lose no matter WHAT we do

    19 79.17%
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    Re: So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I did not state an equivalence, you said Iran is the puppet master of all Syrian actions....so supposedly Iran is responsible for Syrian gas attacks. As I said this is a whopper to cover your previous whopper on "treaties"...but i understand the need to create straw arguments, it makes a tangled web.


    The Assad family has had minor support from Iran, it has only been recently with the withdraw of Arab support for Bashar that he has become more dependent on Iran...but I know you need some other distraction from "Iran controls Syria" and "Syria did not sign teh chem weapons treaty...so uh, I guess I can make that argument".

    Sigh.
    You are so full of ****. I now remember why I don't usually respond to your posts..
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's what we were promised, right? Ineffectual bumbling around the Middle East was done because the smart people were in charge. The world wasn't a mess of incompatible national interests, difficult trade-offs, no-win situations, and irreconcilable differences, but merely a rubix cube, waiting for the Smartest President Ever to come in and Be Wonderful Enough To Solve It. Remember?


    So. How's that working out?
    Obama's major problem is that very few outside his inner circle think he's as smart and competent as he, himself, thinks he is.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

    I wonder if Obama might want to get that bust of Churchill back now. Prolly too late, I guess. He could ask....

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    Re: So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, gimmesometruth.

    Since all those other countries signed on, and since chemical weapons were apparently used, what do you think might be their reasons for not backing BHO now? It seems that even the UN is unwilling to do so.
    Um, I think we went over this last week, when I pointed out that the security council will never authorize since Russia will veto.

    And the primary reason for not taking action against the killing of civilians, including children, by chem weapons.....is the neocon scam of Iraq.

    Again, if you are fine with allowing the use of chem weapons, that is something you will have to answer for.
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    Re: So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    You are so full of ****. I now remember why I don't usually respond to your posts..
    I guess i would get upset if someone reminded me of dumb things I said....but then I would have to realize they are correct....I said those dumb things.
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    Re: So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I guess i would get upset if someone reminded me of dumb things I said....but then I would have to realize they are correct....I said those dumb things.
    You're upset, then? I understand. If it's any help, the president has done the very same thing. You're in good company.

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    Re: So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, I think we went over this last week, when I pointed out that the security council will never authorize since Russia will veto.

    And the primary reason for not taking action against the killing of civilians, including children, by chem weapons.....is the neocon scam of Iraq.

    Again, if you are fine with allowing the use of chem weapons, that is something you will have to answer for.
    I'm a woman with children, and it angers me to think that those Syrian women and children who happen to be caught in the crossfire will be the ones who will suffer. : Since the boys want to play at one-upping each other on the world stage, then they, not me, will have to answer for what they're doing. :

    And Russia's veto was not a surprise to anyone.

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    Re: So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I guess i would get upset if someone reminded me of dumb things I said....but then I would have to realize they are correct....I said those dumb things.
    Dumb things seem to be your forte. Carry on...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I'm a woman with children, and it angers me to think that those Syrian women and children who happen to be caught in the crossfire will be the ones who will suffer. : Since the boys want to play at one-upping each other on the world stage, then they, not me, will have to answer for what they're doing. :

    And Russia's veto was not a surprise to anyone.
    is it a surprise that russia and china spend more on funding the war effort of the assad regime then they have given to the effort to aid the syrian refugees?

    http://fts.unocha.org/reports/daily/...1309060101.pdf

    notice that china and russia combined make up less 1% of contributions to the Syrian refugees.

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    Re: So how is that "Smart Power" working out?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's what we were promised, right? Ineffectual bumbling around the Middle East was done because the smart people were in charge. The world wasn't a mess of incompatible national interests, difficult trade-offs, no-win situations, and irreconcilable differences, but merely a rubix cube, waiting for the Smartest President Ever to come in and Be Wonderful Enough To Solve It. Remember?


    So. How's that working out?
    I voted reset, But not in the way the reset was advertised. Our relations are reset w/ russia, nearly reset bact to cold war status. Our relations are reset w/ Israel to the most tentative in a generation. Our relations are reset with Europe to the extent that our president can no longer count on UK parliament to follow us into our war efforts (not that I am for the Syrian strikes, I am not). Our relations are reset w/ former soviet states turned free, when we abandoned our planned missile protection for them under Nato. Our relations are reset with China too, they own us via our massive debt and they are in a strong position in negotiations.

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