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    Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Is it?

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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Is it?

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    And Obama's Favorite: Not Present.
    I say no. The idea that we should care about someone using chemical weapons is absurd and its just an excuse to wage war with another country. I do not think the those that were temporarily injured, or permanently injured by a bomb or gun are sitting there thanking God that they were not temporarily injured, or permanently injured by a chemical weapon.Nor do I think the loved ones of those that died due to bombs or guns are glad that their loved ones were not killed by a chemical weapon. I do not think those that died because of chemical weapons were wishing that they were killed by bombs or guns instead of chemical weapons.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    I don't know the answer to that. The biggest slap in the face is when we sacrifice our tax dollars and lives of our military and then the people we were helping hate our guts for it as was the Middle East reaction to the ouster of the most brutal madman in Middle Eastern history, Saddam Hussein who probably holds the distinction of killing more Arabs than anyone in history. Add rape rooms, torture chambers and some if the most sick and twisted brutality imaginable and the people who rescue them from that are the bad guys.

    I'd say yes in most cases but give more consideration to staying away from the Middle East due to their unique ideology on isolationalism/segregation were based on the Iraqi experience they've made it clear they'd rather live under an horrifically brutal dictator than have freedom at the hands of the United States. Of course, with respect to Syria there are other considerations. S Since we're in an unofficial treaty with the government of Syria that we recognize, the opposition fighting Assad where we publicly agreed in advance to help them militarily if Assad used chemical weapons and he did plus our need to use the full resources of the American taxpayers to support the oil oligopoly.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I don't know the answer to that. The biggest slap in the face is when he sacrifice our tax dollars and lives of our military and then the people we were helping hate our guts for it as was the Middle East reaction to the ouster of the most brutal madman in Middle Eastern history, Saddam Hussein who probably holds the distinction of killing more Arabs than anyone in history. Add rape rooms, torture chambers and some if the most sick and twisted brutality imaginable and the people who rescue them from that are the bad guys.
    Something just does not communicates well does it not? Anything is better than that should have been the case. Yet you end being bad guys and Russia uses that to impose his own "good guy" policies and these idiots but it!

    Irrelevant the fact that Russia has historically damaged Muslim countries everywhere. Afghanistan is as $hitty of a place today because Russia messed it into that hole first. It was more modern before.

    You know, I have a gut feeling that religious Islam leaders are misinterpreting the well intentions there. They preach and demonize what you do no matter what you do.

    Even here in 1998 they were preaching to stay away from NATO! Can you believe the shear destructiveness of this message?! I urge you to read it again for it weighs tons for us here!

    Why would entrusted religious leaders lead their religious followers to stay away from help? It almost sounds like Russia and Muslim countries are working together to keep populations oppressed and back to the medieval ages!

    People trapped in that time are the best candidates to be controlled from countries where religion has the last world. Be it in countries whom explicitly state that religion is government such as in ME, be it those who hide it implicitly such as Russia, Serbia, and other Slavic nations.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    I dont think we should be the world police. I do beleive allowing one whacky leader do it without serious repercussions could make North Korea or Iran or some other country think they might be able to get away with it too. Chemical weapons are evil, there is a reason they are banned. I think the entire world should take out any one or country that uses them.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post

    I'd say yes in most cases but give more consideration to staying away from the Middle East due to their unique ideology on isolationalism/segregation were based on the Iraqi experience they've made it clear they'd rather live under an horrifically brutal dictator than have freedom at the hands of the United States. Of course, with respect to Syria there are other considerations. S Since we're in an unofficial treaty with the government of Syria that we recognize, the opposition fighting Assad where we publicly agreed in advance to help them militarily if Assad used chemical weapons and he did plus our need to use the full resources of the American taxpayers to support the oil oligopoly.
    Of course! Just look at how 'free' Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya are. It isn't like those places aren't extremely dangerous with people being killed on a regular/semi-regular basis.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Of course! Just look at how 'free' Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya are. It isn't like those places aren't extremely dangerous with people being killed on a regular/semi-regular basis.
    That's all a part of my argument. Whether we "help them" or not, the culture itself seems to be bent on incivility at least to some extent. Whoever is in charge, there will probably be instability and violence. Gotta love that oil monopoly over our economy's ability to function.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    It is a UN issue since it is usually the actions of a sovereign nation. If the UN decides action is necessary then member states can volunteer to participate in corrective action.

    The only time it becomes a strictly USA problem is when such weapons are being used against an ally, or against us. In either case, we respond with "shock and awe" against the aggressor nation.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    It is a UN issue since it is usually the actions of a sovereign nation. If the UN decides action is necessary then member states can volunteer to participate in corrective action.

    The only time it becomes a strictly USA problem is when such weapons are being used against an ally, or against us. In either case, we respond with "shock and awe" against the aggressor nation.
    I agree - it's entirely conditional upon who is using the weapons and upon whom they are used.

    1,500 people losing their lives in a chemical attack inside Syria is a tragedy but no more so than the other 100,000 who lost their lives in more conventional ways in Syria over the past two plus years and no more so a tragedy than people losing their lives all over the world under the hands of despots who consider the death of their citizens to be a cost of power.

    As an example, the UN reports that more than 260,000 people lost their lives in African famines during 2010 to 2012, more than half of them children, and the UN and others in the world did virtually nothing to help. I'd much rather see the world help those who want to help themselves than spend precious resources helping people who are only interested in killing their own countrymen out of hate.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Not using the tactics presented and the reasons stated. If we were the police, where were we earlier in the year? Where were we when Saddam gassed the Kurds? Where were we when gas was used against the Iranians in the Iraq/Iran war.

    Well, for that last one we know where we were. It was targeting information provided by our CIA that Iraq used.

    You cannot be the worlds police unless your hands are squeeky clean and you are consistent. Should something be done about poison gas? Probably, but not by us, not unilaterally, not untill we clean up our act and not until we are prepared to really do something about it that carries a bit more sting than a slap on the wrist.

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