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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It ended a war, and fewer people died than what was happening beforehand. Though no picnic it prevented greater loss of life... and was a good warning about the power of such weapons.

    America has a lot of room to talk. We could have dominated the world... instead we helped lift those we vanquished. The world is lucky to have had such a benevolent and generous Super Power.
    Yeah, I've heard that BS narrative before. In reality, Japan was crushed and surrounded. They were weak enough that a few lonely bombers could waltz in unopposed.

    We directly targeted civilians in order to make our enemy sick of enough of war that they would quit. How can we really lecture anybody on anything? This sets a precedent that as long as you think your enemy is determined, you can attack as many civilians as you want. What's the difference between us and any other government in history that's used WMD's to obliterate their political opponents?

    Oh, I guess it's different because WE did it.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Yeah, I've heard that BS narrative before. In reality, Japan was crushed and surrounded. They were weak enough that a few lonely bombers could waltz in unopposed.

    We directly targeted civilians in order to make our enemy sick of enough of war that they would quit. How can we really lecture anybody on anything? This sets a precedent that as long as you think your enemy is determined, you can attack as many civilians as you want. What's the difference between us and any other government in history that's used WMD's to obliterate their political opponents?

    Oh, I guess it's different because WE did it.
    I'm an American. What matters is that we do what is best for Americans. This ain't no game where everyone gets to have equal chances of winning the prize. This is survival of the fittest. And our country better be tough enough to do what is necessary when necessary or were screwed. The reason we won our war against the British is because we refused to play by their gentlemanly rules in the first ****ing place. Yes it's different because My team did it. Team USA.
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    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    I'm an American. What matters is that we do what is best for Americans. This ain't no game where everyone gets to have equal chances of winning the prize. This is survival of the fittest. And our country better be tough enough to do what is necessary when necessary or were screwed. The reason we won our war against the British is because we refused to play by their gentlemanly rules in the first ****ing place. Yes it's different because My team did it. Team USA.
    Learn what "fit" means. It's not big or tough. Rats and cockroaches score very highly on the scale so keep that in mind.

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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    I'm an American. What matters is that we do what is best for Americans. This ain't no game where everyone gets to have equal chances of winning the prize. This is survival of the fittest. And our country better be tough enough to do what is necessary when necessary or were screwed. The reason we won our war against the British is because we refused to play by their gentlemanly rules in the first ****ing place. Yes it's different because My team did it. Team USA.
    Ok, then I guess we can do absolutely whatever we want, as long as it wins.

    We should start slitting the throats of every man, woman and child in afghanistan until the stupid hill people come down and surrender. We should've dropped on a nuke on Ho Chi Minh, then we totally would've won the vietnam war as well!

    Man, it's amazing what you can accomplish when you have zero regard for human life. We should bring ourselves down to Al-Qaeda's level and just attack civilians until our political goals are met.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Ok, then I guess we can do absolutely whatever we want, as long as it wins.

    We should start slitting the throats of every man, woman and child in afghanistan until the stupid hill people come down and surrender. We should've dropped on a nuke on Ho Chi Minh, then we totally would've won the vietnam war as well!

    Man, it's amazing what you can accomplish when you have zero regard for human life. We should bring ourselves down to Al-Qaeda's level and just attack civilians until our political goals are met.
    That wouldn't necessarily make us a whole lot of friends. If we could get away with it sure, but there are other countries in the world so we have to practice decorum to appease those other countries. You ever been in a pvp game? You do whatever it takes to win. But you respect the masses because they can gang up on you and take you down.
    Islam is an antiquated religion and needs to either modernize with the times or be completely eradicated.
    There are two types of Muslims, terrorists, and their enablers. They need to fix that if they want to be part of civilized society.

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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    That wouldn't necessarily make us a whole lot of friends. If we could get away with it sure, but there are other countries in the world so we have to practice decorum to appease those other countries. You ever been in a pvp game? You do whatever it takes to win. But you respect the masses because they can gang up on you and take you down.
    I think it takes a special kind of ego for someone to believe mass murder of civilians is ok as long as it's coming from their own side. In reality, as much as we want to wag our finger at Syria, we've done far, far, far worse than they could ever dream of.
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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Yeah, I've heard that BS narrative before. In reality, Japan was crushed and surrounded. They were weak enough that a few lonely bombers could waltz in unopposed.

    We directly targeted civilians in order to make our enemy sick of enough of war that they would quit. How can we really lecture anybody on anything? This sets a precedent that as long as you think your enemy is determined, you can attack as many civilians as you want. What's the difference between us and any other government in history that's used WMD's to obliterate their political opponents?

    Oh, I guess it's different because WE did it.
    You don't win wars without boots on the ground... and the Japanese were notorious for fighting to the death. Sounds easy... like Obama's Red Line, but reality back then was something else.

    Yes... targeting civilians was part of the war effort. It was an important part of breaking the people from their government. Not pretty, but that was war at that time. The aim is to win. These people asked for war... and war is what they got.


    "The most influential text is Truman's 1955 Memoirs, which states that the atomic bomb probably saved half a million US lives— anticipated casualties in an Allied invasion of Japan planned for November. Stimson subsequently talked of saving one million US casualties, and Churchill of saving one million American and half that number of British lives."[185] Scholars have pointed out various alternatives that could have ended the war just as quickly without an invasion, but these alternatives could have resulted in the deaths of many more Japanese.[186]


    Supporters of the bombings generally assert that they caused the Japanese surrender, preventing massive casualties on both sides in the planned invasion of Japan. One figure of speech, "One hundred million [subjects of the Japanese Empire] will die for the Emperor and Nation,"[178] served as a unifying slogan, although that phrase was intended as a figure of speech along the lines of the "ten thousand years" phrase. Although some Japanese were taken prisoner,[179] most fought until they were killed or committed suicide.[180] Nearly 99% of the 21,000 defenders of Iwo Jima were killed,[179] and the last Japanese soldiers did not surrender until November 1949.[181] Of the 117,000 Japanese troops defending Okinawa in April–June 1945, 94% were killed.[179] Supporters also point to an order given by the Japanese War Ministry on 1 August 1944, ordering the execution of Allied prisoners of war when the POW-camp was in the combat zone.[182] As War Minister, Korechika Anami was opposed to the surrender. Immediately after Hiroshima, he commented, "I am convinced that the Americans had only one bomb, after all."[183] Eventually, Anami's arguments were overcome when Emperor Hirohito directly requested an end to the war himself.[184]


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_nagasaki#Debate_over_bombings
    You win wars with boots on the ground. That would have cost a lot of lives... as the Japanese had a no retreat mentality. Finland, a tiny population fought back the Soviets using a form of guerilla warfare... the Japanese would have done something similar.

    You obviously think America is immoral. I don't.

    America has given acres upon acres of men and women, and massive amounts of treasure to defend freedom and free people. Then they turn around and lift the vanquished and help them recover. The world is very lucky to have had America and American values as a super power... the leading moral light in the world.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Is it America's job to deal with countries that use Chemical Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You don't win wars without boots on the ground... and the Japanese were notorious for fighting to the death. Sounds easy... like Obama's Red Line, but reality back then was something else.

    Yes... targeting civilians was part of the war effort. It was an important part of breaking the people from their government. Not pretty, but that was war at that time. The aim is to win. These people asked for war... and war is what they got.




    You win wars with boots on the ground. That would have cost a lot of lives... as the Japanese had a no retreat mentality. Finland, a tiny population fought back the Soviets using a form of guerilla warfare... the Japanese would have done something similar.

    You obviously think America is immoral. I don't.

    America has given acres upon acres of men and women, and massive amounts of treasure to defend freedom and free people. Then they turn around and lift the vanquished and help them recover. The world is very lucky to have had America and American values as a super power... the leading moral light in the world.
    Then you hold the same views as slyhunter:

    Absolutely ANY atrocity, no matter how severe, is totally worth it if you win.

    We should stop screwing around and just nuke every country we come in conflict with. All we have to do is claim it will save more lives and you'll jump on board.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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