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  • I support intevention in Syria and opposed it in Iraq

    1 3.70%
  • I supported intervention in Iraq and oppose it in Syria

    8 29.63%
  • I support(ed) intervention in both instances

    2 7.41%
  • I oppose(d) intervention in both instances

    13 48.15%
  • Other

    3 11.11%
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    Syria vs. Iraq

    I'm interested in who supported the intervention in one instance, but not the other. I'd consider that ideologically inconsistent, BTW.
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    Re: Syria vs. Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I'm interested in who supported the intervention in one instance, but not the other. I'd consider that ideologically inconsistent, BTW.
    Hindsight says that Iraq was definitely wrong. Foresight says that Syria is wrong. You help no one by bringing death, destruction, chaos, and mayhem to their Nation. Try telling that to a war hawk.

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    Re: Syria vs. Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Hindsight says that Iraq was definitely wrong. Foresight says that Syria is wrong. You help no one by bringing death, destruction, chaos, and mayhem to their Nation. Try telling that to a war hawk.
    Death, destruction, chaos and mayhem are already at their nation. We're helping potential victims (and the rebels) be safe from a chemical attack.
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    Re: Syria vs. Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I'm interested in who supported the intervention in one instance, but not the other. I'd consider that ideologically inconsistent, BTW.
    How's it ideologically inconsistent? I was opposed to invading Iraq because it was basically a manufactured crisis, Saddam had been tamed for years and was not a pressing threat, and it was forced on the US, the UK, and the world based on cherry-picked and unreliable information pushed by Neoconservative extremists.

    I support responding to Assad's use of chemical weapons because it's a real, present, and ongoing threat, he provoked us to respond after we warned him not to, and the information seems to be vetted reliably from multiple sources.

    I'm an interventionist when there's humanitarian issues at stake, the threat of not responding to aggression is worse than responding rationally to it, and there is a reasonable chance at achieving the objectives of an intervention. I'm convinced on the first two points, not sure one way or the other on the last point.

    Feel free to press me on my stance.

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    Re: Syria vs. Iraq

    Give me some feathers and call me a hawk, I supported intervention in both cases.
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    Re: Syria vs. Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    I'm interested in who supported the intervention in one instance, but not the other. I'd consider that ideologically inconsistent, BTW.
    Same ****, another day. Another Republocrat trying to bog us down in a decade war to make his corporate buddies rich off of American blood. Nothing new.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Syria vs. Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    How's it ideologically inconsistent? I was opposed to invading Iraq because it was basically a manufactured crisis, Saddam had been tamed for years and was not a pressing threat, and it was forced on the US, the UK, and the world based on cherry-picked and unreliable information pushed by Neoconservative extremists.

    I support responding to Assad's use of chemical weapons because it's a real, present, and ongoing threat, he provoked us to respond after we warned him not to, and the information seems to be vetted reliably from multiple sources.

    I'm an interventionist when there's humanitarian issues at stake, the threat of not responding to aggression is worse than responding rationally to it, and there is a reasonable chance at achieving the objectives of an intervention. I'm convinced on the first two points, not sure one way or the other on the last point.

    Feel free to press me on my stance.
    Until we go in there and after 6 years of fighting figure out that it wasn't Assad who used the chemical weapons. Seriously, our "intelligence" was flawed in Iraq....like it's gotten better? Government just making excuses for more power, more control, the God State. Fascism is easier to install with an infinity war and fear propaganda.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Syria vs. Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Death, destruction, chaos and mayhem are already at their nation. We're helping potential victims (and the rebels) be safe from a chemical attack.
    Are we?


    Are we?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Syria vs. Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    How's it ideologically inconsistent? I was opposed to invading Iraq because it was basically a manufactured crisis, Saddam had been tamed for years and was not a pressing threat, and it was forced on the US, the UK, and the world based on cherry-picked and unreliable information pushed by Neoconservative extremists.

    I support responding to Assad's use of chemical weapons because it's a real, present, and ongoing threat, he provoked us to respond after we warned him not to, and the information seems to be vetted reliably from multiple sources.

    I'm an interventionist when there's humanitarian issues at stake, the threat of not responding to aggression is worse than responding rationally to it, and there is a reasonable chance at achieving the objectives of an intervention. I'm convinced on the first two points, not sure one way or the other on the last point.

    Feel free to press me on my stance.
    I'm curious - have you advocated US intervention in any number of African states practicing genocide amongst their own peoples? How about in North Korea?

    Why is Syria special in regard to humanitarian need?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Syria vs. Iraq

    War with Syria is the last thing the Obama administration wanted. War with Iraq was the first thing the Bush administration wanted. That right there should trigger what degree of skepticism to use.

    And no, I don't have security clearance to see the intelligence in either case. Only my BS detector was off the charts back then, and only slightly registering now.

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