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    Re: Does Anyone Still Believe ANYTHING Obama says?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not if you ain't got a better plan.
    Your argument is taking sovereignty to an absolute in justifying chemical genocide. I'm not sure where'd you like to go but any plan is better.

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    Re: Does Anyone Still Believe ANYTHING Obama says?

    Quote Originally Posted by LoneLaugher View Post
    I accept nutter bull**** under protest. But you are asking me to accept bull**** while not even attempting to answer the question.

    Just answer it. The answer ought to be in numerical form.
    Your foully formed demand is not something I personally will accede to, try to boss someone else around. Seems that maybe when those who don't take their Flintstones vitamins and get a cookie afterwards, they must get cranky.

    The number? 2many, way too many. These will give you the reasons why:

    Welfare and work: Taxing hard-up Americans at 95% | The Economist

    Study: welfare pays more than work in most states | The Daily Caller

    On Labor Day 2013, Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

    If one cannot understand those, probably plenty of able adult Americans with nothing much better to and could maybe help one understand.
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    Re: Does Anyone Still Believe ANYTHING Obama says?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ones inability to see globalization does not remove it from existence. There are many kinds of implications for the US.

    Your argument is like some guy hearing his neighbor being beaten brutally by her spouse and saying 'hey, not my business'. Your argument is the guy who lets bad things happen if he can get away. Your argument is selfish, childish, cowardly and ugly. It shows a disregard for mankind and entitlement mindset beyond recognition.

    Chemical genocide is not ok, not while free people have the power to stop it.
    I understand some people think everything is their business, and that everything effects them. They are wrong, but I understand they are deluded in such a fashion.
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    Re: Does Anyone Still Believe ANYTHING Obama says?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    I understand some people think everything is their business, and that everything effects them. They are wrong, but I understand they are deluded in such a fashion.
    The delusion is of the 'head in sand' variety and not 'how can I help' variety, given chemical genocide.

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    Re: Does Anyone Still Believe ANYTHING Obama says?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The delusion is of the 'head in sand' variety and not 'how can I help' variety, given chemical genocide.
    What are the reports, 14K people, that MIGHT have been killed by chemicals by the Syrian government? We throw in tomahawks, we will kill far more civilians.

    And again, I have seen nothing that supports that this is our problem. The UN had a treaty against chemical weapons? Syria is not a signatory on that.

    Would it be 'nice' if we could rid the world of evil? Sure. But we can not, nor is it our job. If we go in with just bombs, they will simply wait out the bombing, then resume business as usual. All we will have accomplished was to waste millions in missiles fired at them. And of course the risk of them or Iran actually acting on their threats and going after Israel. If we want to 'secure' the chemical weapons so they can not use them, we need boots on the ground, that is an invasion, that without approval of the congress is unConstitutional, and without the approval of the UN, is against 'international law'.
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    Re: Does Anyone Still Believe ANYTHING Obama says?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    What are the reports, 14K people, that MIGHT have been killed by chemicals by the Syrian government? We throw in tomahawks, we will kill far more civilians.

    And again, I have seen nothing that supports that this is our problem. The UN had a treaty against chemical weapons? Syria is not a signatory on that.

    Would it be 'nice' if we could rid the world of evil? Sure. But we can not, nor is it our job. If we go in with just bombs, they will simply wait out the bombing, then resume business as usual. All we will have accomplished was to waste millions in missiles fired at them. And of course the risk of them or Iran actually acting on their threats and going after Israel. If we want to 'secure' the chemical weapons so they can not use them, we need boots on the ground, that is an invasion, that without approval of the congress is unConstitutional, and without the approval of the UN, is against 'international law'.
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    Re: Does Anyone Still Believe ANYTHING Obama says?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Your argument is taking sovereignty to an absolute in justifying chemical genocide. I'm not sure where'd you like to go but any plan is better.
    Not one that costs trillions of dollars, kills thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of others over the decade plus the war goes on for. That's just stupid.

    Think of how many starving kids you could have saved with a trillion dollars instead of using it to kill.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Does Anyone Still Believe ANYTHING Obama says?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not one that costs trillions of dollars, kills thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of others over the decade plus the war goes on for. That's just stupid.

    Think of how many starving kids you could have saved with a trillion dollars instead of using it to kill.
    A billion dollars a the onset of Saddam's reign might be worth a trillion. And now we opt to pay symptoms instead of sources again?

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    Re: Does Anyone Still Believe ANYTHING Obama says?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    A billion dollars a the onset of Saddam's reign might be worth a trillion. And now we opt to pay symptoms instead of sources again?
    You probably could have bought Saddam off for a billion or so, got him to abdicate and move to some private island somewhere. But that's neither here nor there. We've spent trillions on a foreign, imperial, occupation war that has not panned out any success in the over 10 years we've been waging it. And your plan is to do it all over again. It's absurd.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Does Anyone Still Believe ANYTHING Obama says?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You probably could have bought Saddam off for a billion or so,
    We tried. He spent it on genocide, institutional rape and a fake WMD program.

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