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Thread: Who dunnit?

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    Who dunnit?

    When I first heard people say the rebels in Syria were responsible for the recent gas attack I was skeptical but I am hearing and reading more and more about this and I am changing my mind. They may have done it on purpose to get the US to be their air force or it may have been accidental but either way I think there is a good chance they are the culprits here.

    [LEFT"]Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta have admitted to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad’s forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.[/LEFT]Image: YouTube

    “From numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families….many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the (deadly) gas attack,” writes Gavlak. (back up version here).Rebels told Gavlak that they were not properly trained on how to handle the chemical weapons or even told what they were. It appears as though the weapons were initially supposed to be given to the Al-Qaeda offshoot Jabhat al-Nusra.“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” one militant named ‘J’ told Gavlak.His claims are echoed by another female fighter named ‘K’, who told Gavlak, “They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them. We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

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    Re: Who dunnit?

    I don't know who did it. I am leaning toward believing the rebels did, and the possibility that SA would be behind it makes perfect sense to me. Assad may have his faults, but I have trouble believing that he is responsible for many of the things he has been accused of, one, because he is a medical doctor by previous profession. I have just never seen evidence that the man has gone mad.
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    Re: Who dunnit?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When I first heard people say the rebels in Syria were responsible for the recent gas attack I was skeptical but I am hearing and reading more and more about this and I am changing my mind. They may have done it on purpose to get the US to be their air force or it may have been accidental but either way I think there is a good chance they are the culprits here.

    [LEFT"]Syrian rebels in the Damascus suburb of Ghouta have admitted to Associated Press correspondent Dale Gavlak that they were responsible for last week’s chemical weapons incident which western powers have blamed on Bashar Al-Assad’s forces, revealing that the casualties were the result of an accident caused by rebels mishandling chemical weapons provided to them by Saudi Arabia.[/LEFT]Image: YouTube

    “From numerous interviews with doctors, Ghouta residents, rebel fighters and their families….many believe that certain rebels received chemical weapons via the Saudi intelligence chief, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, and were responsible for carrying out the (deadly) gas attack,” writes Gavlak. (back up version here).Rebels told Gavlak that they were not properly trained on how to handle the chemical weapons or even told what they were. It appears as though the weapons were initially supposed to be given to the Al-Qaeda offshoot Jabhat al-Nusra.“We were very curious about these arms. And unfortunately, some of the fighters handled the weapons improperly and set off the explosions,” one militant named ‘J’ told Gavlak.His claims are echoed by another female fighter named ‘K’, who told Gavlak, “They didn’t tell us what these arms were or how to use them. We didn’t know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons.”

    Rebels Admit Responsibility for Chemical Weapons Attack Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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    It's sounding like the rebels did more and more. We know they had access to the weapons.
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    Re: Who dunnit?

    The idea of Saudi Arabia giving Chemical Weapons to Al Qaeda is.......



    ..... I find it.... how to put this.... "not credible". Yeah, that pretty much covers it.

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    Re: Who dunnit?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The idea of Saudi Arabia giving Chemical Weapons to Al Qaeda is.......



    ..... I find it.... how to put this.... "not credible". Yeah, that pretty much covers it.
    There are other theories that the rebels got the weapons when they over ran some gov installations earlier in this war.

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    Re: Who dunnit?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    There are other theories that the rebels got the weapons when they over ran some gov installations earlier in this war.
    That is... more credible than the notion that the Saudi government is behind any CW capability that finds its' way into rebel hands.


    And also why I said two years ago that we should take action to prevent such from occurring.

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    Re: Who dunnit?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is... more credible than the notion that the Saudi government is behind any CW capability that finds its' way into rebel hands.


    And also why I said two years ago that we should take action to prevent such from occurring.
    When you're a hammer, everything else is a nail.

    I can't say I know who did the attack or how the rebels might have gotten the gas if it was them. This is the a reason why action is difficult to support.

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    Re: Who dunnit?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That is... more credible than the notion that the Saudi government is behind any CW capability that finds its' way into rebel hands.


    And also why I said two years ago that we should take action to prevent such from occurring.
    I'm 100% with you on the 2 years ago thing.

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    Re: Who dunnit?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    When you're a hammer, everything else is a nail.

    I can't say I know who did the attack or how the rebels might have gotten the gas if it was them. This is the a reason why action is difficult to support.
    I wouldn't know about a hammer/nail bit. I advocated different policies in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. In Syria I said at the beginning and continue to say now that we should take action to degrade their IADS C2, secure their CW stockpiles, and provide cover to fleeing civilians. In Libya I was in favor of regime change, and in Iraq I thought (and still think) that winning the post-fight to demonstrate an Arab-Democracy model was a strategic necessity. I supported the Presidents' policy towards Libya, and were I in Congress now, would be voting in favor of granting him the measures he has asked for.

    As for how the rebels would get ahold of gas - stealing from the Syrian regime is (I would suspect) far more plausible than a Saudi regime so blind to its' own self-interest as to give them that capability.

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    Re: Who dunnit?

    There does, in fact, need to be more information on the subject. However, all current intelligence that has been revealed accuses the Assad Regime. However, the sources are France, Great Britain, and of course, the United States. The UN report would, in theory, reveal more if there is anything to be revealed. Conflicting reports of alleged Syrian citizens (which, I would argue, have very little knowledge of the culprits in the chaos) blame both sides. An individual that was drafted into Assad's regime revealed he was ordered to kill civilians. Again, this is all assuming this information received by media outlets is reliable, and from my time as an officer in the field, most likely it isn't.
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