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Do you carry one in the chamber?[W:26]

Do you carry with one in the chamber?


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Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

I think you'll really like the range time. Did you decide on a new firearm, or are you sticking with the 38?

I'm sure I will, Surtr. No, I'm not going to carry the .38. It's too big. I want something smaller. Last weekend, we were with a good friend who showed me his carry weapon. It's a 380...? If I remember correctly? I'll ask again when the time comes. It's a small weapon, but he says it packs a great punch. (Again ??) He put it in his cargo pants pocket and it was invisible. I like that. I'd have to worry about showing a holster. A pocket seems more user-friendly to me. Who knows though? I'm going to try as many as I can before I buy.
 
To any that Open an/or Conceal carry. When you do, do you have your weapon Condition 1 ( round in the chamber) or condition 3 ( no round in the chamber). I always carry one in the chamber just because makes my draw all the more smoother since I all I have to do is disengage the safety with my thumb.

Just for TD, never needed a weapon. :shrug::shrug:
 
Just for TD, never needed a weapon. :shrug::shrug:

I have never needed a fire extinguisher or flood insurance yet either.

Again, we understand you don't approve of people being armed and want to question the sanity of those who carry based on your own situation.
 
I have never needed a fire extinguisher or flood insurance yet either.

Again, we understand you don't approve of people being armed and want to question the sanity of those who carry based on your own situation.

Just never needed one, but I have been in a fire and a flood.
 
Just never needed one, but I have been in a fire and a flood.

so your experience really shouldn't be the guide for the rest of us

Freedom of choice is something you liberals are big on saying when it comes to abortion or gay marriage. I wish you truly believed in those words consistently
 
so your experience really shouldn't be the guide for the rest of us

Freedom of choice is something you liberals are big on saying when it comes to abortion or gay marriage. I wish you truly believed in those words consistently

Please point where I said it should be. Just making an observation.
 
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How I wish there had been sound with that. I'd love to know what he said to the guy.
Probably something like this;
perp: "empty the register". "wait, what are you doing.........leggo of my arm"
clerk: "Don't move"
perp: "oh ****"
clerk: "Ah man, I just cleaned up in here and there you go crapping your pants"
perp: "Imma get out of here if that's okay with you"
clerk: "best idea you've had so far"
 
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I'm sure I will, Surtr. No, I'm not going to carry the .38. It's too big. I want something smaller. Last weekend, we were with a good friend who showed me his carry weapon. It's a 380...? If I remember correctly?
380 sounds right for a pocket pistol

I'll ask again when the time comes. It's a small weapon, but he says it packs a great punch. (Again ??) He put it in his cargo pants pocket and it was invisible. I like that. I'd have to worry about showing a holster. A pocket seems more user-friendly to me. Who knows though? I'm going to try as many as I can before I buy.
Good idea. You won't know what feels right until you try it. 380 is a good caliber, just make sure you can find the ammunition before getting the pistol.
 
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380 sounds right for a pocket pistol


Good idea. You won't know what feels right until you try it. 380 is a good caliber, just make sure you can find the ammunition before getting the pistol.

I have a lot of 380s-Beretta (lots of shots-fairly big) SIG (very small well made) SW Bodyguard (reliable) German Walther PP (smooth accurate) American Made Walther PPK (not quite so smooth but reliable) and I have tested most of the stuff on the market. I recommend the Remington Golden sabers as the best combination of stopping power and feeding in finicking autos like some of the sigs.
 
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People don't get shot at while they are near children? who knew? How's everything in fairyland anyway?

Pretty good. Been doing a cedar board-and-batten job- it's gonna be too cold for swimming soon but that'll be when the oysters are worth picking, so all's good. How's everything in the war zone?
 
Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

Did I say "It makes me feel brave"? No, I didn't because bravery and cowardice have nothing to do with it, if I am attacked I'm going to be ready, end of story.



Right, more silliness. Tactical vests require changes in clothing choices, they aren't exactly "all day wear". The tradeoff to not wearing a vest is pretty much okay to the level of danger "potentially faced", not so much with a firearm. Besides, the best example of how badly this hypothetical of yours fails is the fact that officers on duty don't always "vest up", most officers will wear a vest to serve warrants, or in high crime areas but traffic cops........not so much, reason being the actual probability of danger.



When I was in LE, most of us didn't wear vests unless we were going to be doing something unusually dangerous. They get uncomfortable after a while. In a hurry if it is hot.


(That was quite some time ago, of course.)
 
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When I was in LE, most of us didn't wear vests unless we were going to be doing something unusually dangerous. They get uncomfortable after a while. In a hurry if it is hot.


(That was quite some time ago, of course.)
Under Armor was actually developed to lessen some of the effects, the cooling effect and lightness of the shirts were developed because personnel wanted to get the pinch of other clothing alleviated.
 
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Under Armor was actually developed to lessen some of the effects, the cooling effect and lightness of the shirts were developed because personnel wanted to get the pinch of other clothing alleviated.


Yeah, I got a couple vests here at the house, but they're old school heavy hot stuff. The Under Armor was after my time.
 
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Yeah, I got a couple vests here at the house, but they're old school heavy hot stuff. The Under Armor was after my time.
I train with the stuff at the gym all the time, could definitely see how it would help with the vest, as much as possible anyway. Seriously though, anyone who would ask why people don't just wear the vest all day in contrast with chambering a round show no knowledge of the vests nature.
 
Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

Yeah, I got a couple vests here at the house, but they're old school heavy hot stuff. The Under Armor was after my time.

I Met the guy who owned second chance body armor He sponsored and started bowling pin pistol shooting-a form of "action shooting" that I was world class at. Richard Davis noted that his vests saved more cops in auto accidents (from having their chests smashed on steering wheels in pre air bag days) than from bullets. I think his company went under when there were credible allegations that he was using substandard materials in government contract products
 
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Actually I had something like this happen, or almost happen.


I was in a parking lot, had my child (he was around 8 I think) holding my left hand (traffic you know). Two men working as a team approached me from different directions, apparently intent on mugging me.


I sidestepped to put my back to a car, leading my child with one hand while putting my other on my concealed handgun.

When the two men saw I was armed, they ceased their approach and left the area quickly.

I'm trying, really trying, not to say what I think about raising a family in that atmosphere, exposing kids to that kind of risk, and I've kept my mouth zipped pretty good, I think. I'm telling myself that what you all are saying is true, that your daily lives are really lived under the threat of armed violence and it's not all just fancified justification for liking the feel and heft of a sidearm, concealed and ready. If I lived in that kind of place I'd be armed, guaranteed, legal or not.
But I wouldn't live like that. I wouldn't expose my kids to that. Sorry, trying not to be judgemental, but I couldn't do it.
Hell, I couldn't even stand the traffic- that's why I ended up out here in the toolies.
 
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Pretty good. Been doing a cedar board-and-batten job- it's gonna be too cold for swimming soon but that'll be when the oysters are worth picking, so all's good. How's everything in the war zone?

It was going well until a bunch of weirdo's from fairyville showed up and started beating some bongos and singing coombaya. I had to shoot them
 
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No one EVER needs a weapon. Until they need one. If they have one, are prepared, and have the will to use it they will likely be OK. If not, they are ****ed. Funny how that works.

Do you advocate for police officers to be unarmed?

I'm 59 and have never been in a position where I wished I had a weapon. Nor has anyone I know. In my life, I've known one guy who owns a handgun. I have a two-foot length of tech cable under the seat of my truck and consider myself well-armed.
And why the hell would I advocate disarming police? Kind of a dumb, question, dontcha think? Are you about to make some asinine leap from whatever your mistaken perception of my position is vis-a-vis guns to some idiotic non sequitur?
 
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It was going well until a bunch of weirdo's from fairyville showed up and started beating some bongos and singing coombaya. I had to shoot them

Kumbaya.
You're welcome.
 
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I'm 59 and have never been in a position where I wished I had a weapon. Nor has anyone I know. In my life, I've known one guy who owns a handgun. I have a two-foot length of tech cable under the seat of my truck and consider myself well-armed.
And why the hell would I advocate disarming police? Kind of a dumb, question, dontcha think? Are you about to make some asinine leap from whatever your mistaken perception of my position is vis-a-vis guns to some idiotic non sequitur?

why does your PERSONAL situation have any relevance to this matter? If you don't think you need a gun or if you are afraid to carry one, NONE OF US Pro rights advocates are saying you should have to carry. Why then do so many of those who are afraid to carry (or afraid to allow others to carry) a gun feel a need to tell the rest of us what we should do?
 
Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

why does your PERSONAL situation have any relevance to this matter? If you don't think you need a gun or if you are afraid to carry one, NONE OF US Pro rights advocates are saying you should have to carry. Why then do so many of those who are afraid to carry (or afraid to allow others to carry) a gun feel a need to tell the rest of us what we should do?

Ohfer****sakes.
My PERSONAL situation has relevance because it's where my PERSONAL opinion comes from. Why does your PERSONAL opinion matter?
And try to come up with some new schtick. That same-old bit of straw-man-bashing is getting old. I've only been here since this spring, I can only guess how annoying your dishonesty is getting to be for others who've endured it longer.
 
Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

I'm 59 and have never been in a position where I wished I had a weapon. Nor has anyone I know. In my life, I've known one guy who owns a handgun. I have a two-foot length of tech cable under the seat of my truck and consider myself well-armed.
And why the hell would I advocate disarming police? Kind of a dumb, question, dontcha think? Are you about to make some asinine leap from whatever your mistaken perception of my position is vis-a-vis guns to some idiotic non sequitur?
Nope...Im about to show you how stupid your position is. So...you admit that you DONT believe in disarming the police. Why? Well...because they deal with violent criminals and thugs. Sweet. But then you completely jump the tracks when you ignore the REALITY as to WHOM those violent criminals and thugs TARGET before they draw police attention. You remember the police...right? the guys you think SHOULD be armed? Because in YOUR happy little world...you nor anyone you know has ever had to deal with violent criminals. Some of us have. A good number of us in fact. Why...when you look at the crime statistics the FACT is that 1 in 4 women are going to be sexually assaulted in their lifetime and 5 in 6 citizens will be involved in some form of violent crime. No...not in a year, and certainly people that live in some communities are less likely while others are more likely to skew the figures high. But...the reality is that the majority of people will be involved in a violent crime at some time in their adult lives. Why do people carry armed? Because they choose not to be a 'victim'.

Your little cable you have dangling I'm sure serves you just fine. But others...well...they would laugh at it. And BTW... :lamo at your cute little internet tough guy portrayal with your bad ass 2 foot length of tech cable.

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/104274.pdf
 
Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

Your question about bravery is both irrelevant to this discussion

It was yours. To wit:

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Originally Posted by TurtleDude

Why is it that so many liberals are opposed to self defense? iS it

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2) are they cowards

If bravery is irrelevant to the conversation, then why did you bring it up? Are you having a difficult time following a topic? Or can you explain why you said that arguing against keeping a pistol ready to fire at all times is a sign of cowardice -- a lack of bravery, and then turned around and said that bravery is irrelevant to the conversation?


Did I say "It makes me feel brave"? No, I didn't because bravery and cowardice have nothing to do with it,

I know you didn't say that. I multi quoted. Turtle Dude said it. He felt that not wanting to carry with a round chamber at all times was "cowardice". So I asked him why he feels brave with a gun in position one. He then said that bravery and cowardice are irrelevant, which is kind of funny. I don't know why he brought it into the conversation if he doesn't want to explain how that makes him brave.

Right, more silliness. Tactical vests require changes in clothing choices, they aren't exactly "all day wear". The tradeoff to not wearing a vest is pretty much okay to the level of danger "potentially faced", not so much with a firearm. Besides, the best example of how badly this hypothetical of yours fails is the fact that officers on duty don't always "vest up", most officers will wear a vest to serve warrants, or in high crime areas but traffic cops........not so much, reason being the actual probability of danger.

Interesting. Where I'm from they almost always wear vests, so I didn't know that. The point of it is that if you genuinely feel that you face an armed attack 24x7 then you should be taking more precautions. It's a hypothetical, of course. But you must see the point: If you're really in so much danger of an attack at any point in the day that you have to have a pistol ready to fire at all times, then why no precautions that aren't convenient? If it's a matter of convenience, then the argument that you could be attacked at any time seems weakend.
 
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I'm trying, really trying, not to say what I think about raising a family in that atmosphere, exposing kids to that kind of risk, and I've kept my mouth zipped pretty good, I think. I'm telling myself that what you all are saying is true, that your daily lives are really lived under the threat of armed violence and it's not all just fancified justification for liking the feel and heft of a sidearm, concealed and ready. If I lived in that kind of place I'd be armed, guaranteed, legal or not.
But I wouldn't live like that. I wouldn't expose my kids to that. Sorry, trying not to be judgemental, but I couldn't do it.
Hell, I couldn't even stand the traffic- that's why I ended up out here in the toolies.


yeah its a good thing you're not being judgemental. :roll:


Its not like it is something that happens every week.


I mean are you just here to troll? First you call it macho fantasy, then you imply I'm a bad parent for living somewhere that crime is possible.


I got news for you; anywhere there are humans, crime is possible.
 
Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

It was yours. To wit:



If bravery is irrelevant to the conversation, then why did you bring it up? Are you having a difficult time following a topic? Or can you explain why you said that arguing against keeping a pistol ready to fire at all times is a sign of cowardice -- a lack of bravery, and then turned around and said that bravery is irrelevant to the conversation?




I know you didn't say that. I multi quoted. Turtle Dude said it. He felt that not wanting to carry with a round chamber at all times was "cowardice". So I asked him why he feels brave with a gun in position one. He then said that bravery and cowardice are irrelevant, which is kind of funny. I don't know why he brought it into the conversation if he doesn't want to explain how that makes him brave.
You make it a habit of assigning others statements to those who didn't issue it? And TD's comment wasn't about the bravery of those who own weapons, but rather the spinelessness of some people who hate others having guns, you apparently didn't read between the lines.
 
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