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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Chicago's gun laws are, generally speaking, retarded. But that doesn't create our problems any more than the stupid laws fix them. The gun laws have no effect on crime in any direction. The only purpose these laws serve is to allow the people unwilling to put forth real effort the ability grasp onto the warm and fuzzy mythological belief that they "made a difference".

    Law-abiding citizens should be allowed to carry. Not because it will lower crime but because it gives people a chance to defend themselves. It won't lower crime in any meaningful way, but it might prevent some murders (or at least make the one who would have done the killing become the one who is killed).

    The reason it won't lower crime is because the people attacked here are not "random" people. They are almost always gang bangers who are being shot at. It's the other people in the area who usually get hit, but the people being shot at are usually the exact opposite of random. That's why carrying won't lower crime rates around here in any meaningful way. If you are the innocent bystander who gets hit, you won't have much of an opportunity to defend yourself.

    Legal carry will merely provide a certain degree of individual protection for the occasional random crime that does occur. Women are more likely to be targeted in such random crime, so they are the people who should be doing the most carrying.

    And, for the record, the best way to protect yourself is to keep your head on a swivel and knowing what's happening around you. In the event that that approach fails, the next best thing is being prepared to defend yourself.
    one murder of an innocent person by a criminal is too many..but as I said, humans are flawed and murder will ALWAYS occur...but if everyone who was legal carried, I still believe criminals who DO prey on those other than gang members..carjacking, robbery, etc...will be deterred if a few of them get dropped.

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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Chicago's crime has been greatly exaggerated by the partisan idiots in the media (We're on pace for the lowest murder rate in this city since the 1960's and crime is WAY down). Please don't perpetrate the nonsense by making a comparison to Somalia as this kind of nonsense undermines an intelligent discussion about guns.

    Wasn't intended that way... I was actually trying to bring the comparisons back from a ridiculous extreme (Somalia) to something domestic and a bit more relevant (Chicago).

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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Chicago's gun laws are, generally speaking, retarded. But that doesn't create our problems any more than the stupid laws fix them. The gun laws have no effect on crime in any direction. The only purpose these laws serve is to allow the people unwilling to put forth real effort the ability grasp onto the warm and fuzzy mythological belief that they "made a difference".

    Law-abiding citizens should be allowed to carry. Not because it will lower crime but because it gives people a chance to defend themselves. It won't lower crime in any meaningful way, but it might prevent some murders (or at least make the one who would have done the killing become the one who is killed).

    The reason it won't lower crime is because the people attacked here are not "random" people. They are almost always gang bangers who are being shot at. It's the other people in the area who usually get hit, but the people being shot at are usually the exact opposite of random. That's why carrying won't lower crime rates around here in any meaningful way. If you are the innocent bystander who gets hit, you won't have much of an opportunity to defend yourself.

    Legal carry will merely provide a certain degree of individual protection for the occasional random crime that does occur. Women are more likely to be targeted in such random crime, so they are the people who should be doing the most carrying.

    And, for the record, the best way to protect yourself is to keep your head on a swivel and knowing what's happening around you. In the event that that approach fails, the next best thing is being prepared to defend yourself.

    No argument there, really. I've said before: all effective self-defense begins with Awareness and a ready mindset.


    Awareness/mental readiness is the sine qua non of self-defense: "without this, ya got nothing."
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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Wasn't intended that way... I was actually trying to bring the comparisons back from a ridiculous extreme (Somalia) to something domestic and a bit more relevant (Chicago).
    Fair enough. I'm a little defensive of my city because it's been getting **** on so much lately.
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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Fair enough. I'm a little defensive of my city because it's been getting **** on so much lately.


    I understand; I'm that way about the South.

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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No argument there, really. I've said before: all effective self-defense begins with Awareness and a ready mindset.
    I have a buddy that is usually 100% oblivious to what's going on around him. He definitely needs to carry in order to be safe.
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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I have a buddy that is usually 100% oblivious to what's going on around him. He definitely needs to carry in order to be safe.

    Eh, maybe. Carry probably won't help someone who is really oblivious ... but he might get lucky I suppose.

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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    many of us grew up shooting 1911 style pistols in competition so for us wiping off the safety is rather second nature. The reason why almost every police department either when to a Glock style (Glock MP or XD) or a decocker style (Beretta, HK, SIG) is that cops don't have the time to make that action reflexively
    I own and shoot 1911's competitively as well. I jst won't carry one. I'm not saying people shouldn't carry them, just that I would not carry one. Too many potentials for a malfunction of the safety so far as I'm concerned. Again, just my opinion and experience.

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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Eh, maybe. Carry probably won't help someone who is really oblivious ... but he might get lucky I suppose.
    The fact that he could get lucky makes him safer. If he's relying on his own wits, he's definitely ****ed.
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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I own and shoot 1911's competitively as well. I jst won't carry one. I'm not saying people shouldn't carry them, just that I would not carry one. Too many potentials for a malfunction of the safety so far as I'm concerned. Again, just my opinion and experience.

    I like 1911's a lot, just not as a concealed carry gun. Most of them are bricks, and the action/safety setup just isn't my cup of tea for CCW.


    Would love to have one (5" bbl) for a house or glovebox gun, though.

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