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Thread: Do you carry one in the chamber?[W:26]

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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't carry yet. But it's been my observation that those that do? If they have a safety, they carry one in the chamber. If they don't have a safety, they don't carry one in the chamber. That makes sense to me.
    Yes it does. Looks like this guy had one in the chamber:

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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    In either case, is there consideration of using the gun as a deterrent before using it as a weapon?

    Well, yes and no. If you draw, the situation is serious and may require immediate gunfire. OTOH, if the perps see you are armed and immediately disengage, yes it is preferable to end a situation without gunfire.

    But I figure if you draw, it is under the assumption that you're probably going to have to shoot right away. You just have to be ready to adjust on the fly.


    I'm really ambivalent about showing a gun with "I will scare them off" as the primary mindset. I realize this is kind of a subtle distinction... on the one hand yeah I am HOPING they will back off before I have to pull the trigger, but my primary mindset is "I will draw and aim and IF the situation continues to be life-threatening I will fire".

    Sorta splitting hairs, I know, but I'm uncomfortable about encouraging anyone to show a gun unless they think there's a strong chance they'll be needing to fire it right away.

    The reason is if the threat continues, the 'deterrent' mindset might cause undue hesitation.

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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    No, I don't mean to suggest that if you choose to carry a gun that you could carry an unloaded gun or be unprepared to use it and still be effective. I think if you legally carry a gun you should be prepared to use it. I also think, though, that in your determination to use it, you might be able to back down your assailant before you have to.
    That is true sort of. Once the attack is over (or never occured?) then you have very little legal authority (absent other witnesses) to make an arrest - it will come down to either you prove their criminal intent or possibly face charges yourself for armed assault, or false arrest.
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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?[W:26]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    To any that Open an/or Conceal carry. When you do, do you have your weapon Condition 1 ( round in the chamber) or condition 3 ( no round in the chamber). I always carry one in the chamber just because makes my draw all the more smoother since I all I have to do is disengage the safety with my thumb.
    Are you referring to revolvers or pistols ?

    It's SOP with a revolver to have the hammer on an empty chamber of the cylinder for safety reasons.

    I don't pack a revolver but a .45 ACP M-1911 A-1. Depending what the environment is, during the riots of 1992, it was one round in the chamber. cocked and locked.

    If I decide go to a seedy nudey bar tonight in Los Angeles County, I don't have a round in the chamber. It only takes a fraction of a second to pull the slide back and chamber a round on a pistol and just the sound of racking the slide is a deterrent in itself, the bad guy balls seem to shrivel up when he hears that sound.

    But I doubt I will be going into L.A. tonight because it takes me a couple of weeks to get the stench out of my car.

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    Do you carry one in the chamber?[W:26]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't carry yet. But it's been my observation that those that do? If they have a safety, they carry one in the chamber. If they don't have a safety, they don't carry one in the chamber. That makes sense to me.
    Not having a round chambered on a carry weapon is dangerous.

    Your observation about safeties is rooted in fear and ignorance by folks who do not understand.
    Older semi auto pistols had an external hammer that could be seem.
    The newer striker-fired guns do not have external hammers, and most do not have thumb safeties.
    Hence, people fear what they cannot see, and so not try and understand the design.

    It took time for me to warm up to striker fired autos, but now I carry one daily.
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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    many of us grew up shooting 1911 style pistols in competition so for us wiping off the safety is rather second nature. The reason why almost every police department either when to a Glock style (Glock MP or XD) or a decocker style (Beretta, HK, SIG) is that cops don't have the time to make that action reflexively
    I like what IWI/Magnum research did with the slide safety, it's in perfect position to put the gun into fire ready from the hoslter, I'm not a fan of passive safety models just because of the off chance of a misfire, but that's a personal thing for me.
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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, yes and no. If you draw, the situation is serious and may require immediate gunfire. OTOH, if the perps see you are armed and immediately disengage, yes it is preferable to end a situation without gunfire.

    But I figure if you draw, it is under the assumption that you're probably going to have to shoot right away. You just have to be ready to adjust on the fly.


    I'm really ambivalent about showing a gun with "I will scare them off" as the primary mindset. I realize this is kind of a subtle distinction... on the one hand yeah I am HOPING they will back off before I have to pull the trigger, but my primary mindset is "I will draw and aim and IF the situation continues to be life-threatening I will fire".

    Sorta splitting hairs, I know, but I'm uncomfortable about encouraging anyone to show a gun unless they think there's a strong chance they'll be needing to fire it right away.

    The reason is if the threat continues, the 'deterrent' mindset might cause undue hesitation.
    If my pistol comes out of the holster it's because there is a serious threat....no maybe about it. If it's a "maybe" situation I'll be ready to draw but that pistol doesn't come out until I'm pretty damned sure what's going on. The only exception is when I'm home and not wearing a holster.

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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's just plain silly.

    If I am EXPECTING AN ASSAULT I will be behind cover with a SHOTGUN Or a rifle.

    I carry a pistol because you never know when an attack might come
    That makes how many posters who have said verbatim the exact same thing? Seems to me that some old talking points have been rebuilt with the "making the case for the anti-gun statist assholes" addendum.
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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    You don't have to live in Somalia, or Chicago for that matter, to suffer very severe consequences from being victimized by a criminal and not be prepared to defend your life and person. This is demonstrated every day in every state in the union, and every province of Canada, and indeed almost everywhere.

    The odds may vary, but even if the odds are long that is of no comfort whatsoever to the unlucky one who gets targeted by a criminal who cannot spell compassion let alone exhibit any.


    Some of us have experienced these things first hand, or seen them impact people we care about; thus we are passionate about being prepared to defend ourselves and those we love.


    There is no "safe place" on the face of the earth, that is an illusion. The only real safety we have is that which we can provide for ourselves.
    Amen. I live in a very safe city overall, and even then we have armed robberies, rapes, murders, robberies, batteries, etc. I myself was cut by a coworker who was messed up on some substance. The thing people asking "why do you "need" to carry" don't seem to want to understand is that criminals don't make appointments, they aren't requesting your permission to commit their intended acts, and most of the time don't have the spine to stick around when it's obvious to them that the act may well fail in the face of equivalent or superior force.
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    Re: Do you carry one in the chamber?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Handling a firearm with a round chambers is where firearm accidents come from. It's just one step closer to accidentally shooting someone and becoming the new poster child for egregious gun bans.
    Untrue. Most negligent discharges from carry come from two issues, 1) Unholstered firearms snagging a clothing item and the trigger being pulled or 2) Not paying attention when pulling the weapon out and having a finger near the trigger. You may be able to make the case that without a round the gun wouldn't fire, but the counter is that if you are ambushed that could be a bad thing, if you have to rack the slide when only a second or so seperates you from an attacker you are at a disadvantage.
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