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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The GOP has often been called "The Party of Lincoln." It's true that the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.

    But the implication is that the party is politically aligned with how Lincoln was. Do you think that that is a true description?
    MLK was a member of the Party of Lincoln

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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    MLK was a member of the Party of Lincoln
    The Republican party has changed the most it ever has since 1968 and the "Southern Strategy."

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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Republicans have a love/hate relationship with Lincoln. They love to claim he freed the slaves when it's a conversation on race, then they throw him under the bus for violating the "state's right" to allow ownership of people and with the same face claim he never freed anyone. You can't make that kind of schizophrenia up folks. It's happened on this forum many a time.
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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Republicans have a love/hate relationship with Lincoln. They love to claim he freed the slaves when it's a conversation on race, then they throw him under the bus for violating the "state's right" to own slave. You can't make that kind of schizophrenia up folks.
    Actually nobody in the US thought a lot about Lincoln for years. Then Obama was elected and started to pretend he was the new Lincoln and people started comparing the two and laughing at Obama's foolishness.

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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Actually nobody in the US thought a lot about Lincoln for years....
    I am sorry you never had access to a federally funded school or library for that matter. Did you ever celebrate 4th of July? Or maybe read a book on American history? Actually, do you live in America? Because, I remember growing up in America and seeing his face on about 15 different movies and just as many TV shows in a 10 year span. You couldn't even turn the history channel in the 90s without seeing the civil war on once a week. Maybe I just grew up in modern America and you grew up in 3000 BCE's America.

    http://www.imdb.com/list/sendtODSyfA/

    http://www.historynet.com/the-best-a...oln-movies.htm

    http://www.reasons.org/blogs/reflect...lincoln-movies

    http://www.inquisitr.com/193150/just...stories-worth/


    That's 3 dozen movies (not even going into TV shows), and 15,000 books written on Lincoln.... again...

    I'm sure you just grew up in a different America than I did. However, that doesn't take away from the claim that just because YOU didn't think a lot about Lincoln, nobody else did either. I'm sure the people who wrote 15,000 books and made 3 dozen movies on him thought about him enough to try and make money from his name.
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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Actually nobody in the US thought a lot about Lincoln for years. Then Obama was elected and started to pretend he was the new Lincoln and people started comparing the two and laughing at Obama's foolishness.
    Yeah, this has got to be a joke. America has never stopped thinking about Lincoln. Here's a cursory list of his cultural significance:

    1867: Capitol of Nebraska named Lincoln
    1909: Lincoln penny
    1922: Lincoln Memorial
    1929: Lincoln five dollar bill
    1984: Gore Vidal's "Lincoln"
    2005: Doris Kearns Goodwin's "Team of Rivals"

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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Interesting question. Although Democrats don't use "The Party of FDR" as a shorthand for the party, he is still the most revered figure from the party.

    Still, I think the Democratic party is a lot less liberal since FDR's time. FDR was way more focused on the poor, whereas modern Democrats have accepted the political difficulty of focusing on them and instead focus on the Middle Class and class mobility. In 1944 the top tax income rate was set at 94%. Democrats want to tax the rich higher, but not by that much. FDR created a huge amount of government spending to work on the country's infrastructure, support the arts, and put people back to work. While Democrats support these goals today, they are obstructed by the huge national debt that already exists, preventing us from spending our way out of the slow recovery.

    I'd say that modern Democrats are ideologically aligned with FDR, but only up to a point, and they give way to pragmatism most of the time.
    You don't know much about FDR.

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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    MLK was a member of the Party of Lincoln
    I think assigning MLK to the Republican Party needs some clarification in the interest of intellectual honesty.

    Firstly, what is a Republican? I think there are three possible definitions:

    1. Someone who has in some way officially associated with the Republican Party. This could include running for office as a GOP candidate, becoming a GOP campaign worker in some capacity or registering as a republican in a closed primary state. Georgia, MLK's home state is an open primary state that does not ask party affiliations of voters and to my understanding he never ran for office or worked as a GOP employee or volunteer. I do remember now MLK lived in Massachusetts, Alabama and Illinois for short periods and unlike Georgia might be closed primary states. I am unaware of any declaration of party affiliation by MLK while living outside of Georgia.

    2. Someone who votes for republican candidates along strict party lines. For MLK this would have to mean he voted against the two presidents who did more for Civil Rights than any others, JFK and LBJ.

    3. Someone who self-identifies as a republican. This one is in my opinion is possible but dubious. People who are highly involved in activism that benefits from having as few political foes as possible, often are wise with their political associations and either keep their political leanings secret and/or if they do live in a closed primary state say they're independent. This is done specifically to have friends and not enemies in the interest of what they see as a greater cause. I have not been able to see anything conclusive from MLK himself where he self-identified as a republican. The only evidence of which I am aware regarding an MLK GOP party affiliation is MLK's niece Alveda King, herself a GOP activist, is on record as saying her uncle was a republican coupled with no one in the civil rights leadership nor other members of the king family denying it.

    Here's what I think is probably the most honest answer. MLK was politically independent who voted for republicans in southern state and local races were segregationists ran the democrat party at the time and voted for democrats in presidential elections where at the federal level the democrats were the biggest allies in the quest for racial equality.

    An fun extra credit exercise would be to look into the history and see where MLK stood on the issues.

    - obviously, he supported civil rights for minorities.
    - he was against the Viet-Nam War
    - he supported anti-poverty programs
    - as a champion of non-violence he probably would have been for gun control
    - he was in Memphis on that fateful day because he was helping in a worker action where black sanitation department employees were acting as a type of labor union and were on strike demanding better compensation and conditions.

    ...cant think of anything else off the top.
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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Actually nobody in the US thought a lot about Lincoln for years.
    Maybe you didn't think a lot about Lincoln for years, but that's far from "nobody in the US". Most Americans only know a few presidents from before their own birth. Washington and Lincoln are probably the two big ones. Most Americans couldn't point out many previous presidents in a painting, but Lincoln is one of the ones that they almost all know. Most Americans can't name a significant accomplishment for more than about 5 or 6 presidents, but Lincoln is always one they can. Lincoln is one of the most popular presidents we've had.

    Rasmussen, a largely conservative polling agency, listed the most favored presidents, in order, as: Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Roosevelt, FDR and JFK, with Lincoln getting 92%. This was during GWB's presidency, so before Obama. They listed the least favored as Nixon, last, and GW Bush, second last.

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/content/pdf/4346

    Every basic history text teaches only a few presidents. They don't spend much time on Filmore and Buchanan and Polk, etc., but they all cover Lincoln -- along with other notables such as Washington and Jefferson.

    I don't know where you get the idea that no one thought much of Lincoln until President Obama was elected.
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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Neither are consistent with Lincoln. It's just that Democrats are much more removed than the Republicans.

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