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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    I believe you to be correct... while some subjects seem to invite 'snark' others deserve a reasonable, eventho contentious, discussion/debate. I wouldn't get in the kindergarten sandbox concerning the historic status of the Democratic Party... I will not do it concerning the Republican Party. It's already begun; while mild so far it no doubt will increase. I just don't do 'sandbox' well. So, as you, Ill probably sit this thread out and observe.
    You offered a great question. I had hope.... Ah, well; crap in one hand; wish in the other... which one gets full first?

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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm a Republican myself. I just think Obama made us get a little crazy if you want my opinion. Why that is, I don't know but the biggest impactor on the culture of the Republican party in recent history has been Barack Obama. I've never seen anything like it and certainly nothing I ever expected. He single handedly caused a good portion to lose their ever-loving-minds without even trying and it started before he was even elected.
    How much is racism a factor? Not saying every Republican is a racist, or that some Democrats aren't. Just a lot of Dixiecrats became Southern Republicans.

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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The GOP has often been called "The Party of Lincoln." It's true that the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.

    But the implication is that the party is politically aligned with how Lincoln was. Do you think that that is a true description?
    Lincoln is dead, along with what his party was. Same with the Democrats, and any other party that claims historical backing.
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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    How much is racism a factor? Not saying every Republican is a racist, or that some Democrats aren't. Just a lot of Dixiecrats became Southern Republicans.
    I think some of it is racially motivated animosity. I've seen youtube clips where people admit they don't like him because of his ethnicity. I try to defend people's right to disagree with a black leader on the issues and not be labeled a racist for it but I have difficulty reconciling the level of emotion in the animosity over supposed issues they had little to no problems with when other leaders did the same things either first or to a greater degree. Nevertheless I still think racially motivated negative attitudes toward him are in the minority. Most who hold him to a double standard I think are just going along with the team and have surrendered their passions and reasoning to the sense of security they get from agreeing with their favorite political pundit(s).

    I cannot end this be not agreeing further with you that racial divisiveness goes both ways. I do think there are some black leaders on the left who specialize not in making America more united but more divided along racial lines. Everything bad that happens isn't because of racism. One of the things that infuriated me in the Bush years was when some people labeled him a racist. Bush likes and has done more for black people than most black people for crying out loud. I'm black and my pastor is white. Bush's pastor (unless he's changed churches) is black. Millions is not tens of millions of Africans with HIV will live long lives because of his foreign policy initiatives that got anti-viral medications to people in Africa would could not afford them. Most Americans on either side of the political divide don't even care about race other than to admire the cultural contributions different ethnic groups have made on the larger American culture. For example, today my white boss treated me to lunch at a higher end (relatively speaking) soul food restaurant we'd both been meaning to visit. Initially thinking he'd be the only white person there, he was pleasantly surprised at the number of white patrons there and couldn't stop talking about how good the food was. American rock and pop music wouldn't be what it is today without the influences of American R&B and so on and we all can appreciate each other's different contributions.
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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I cannot end this be not agreeing further with you that racial divisiveness goes both ways.
    I'm glad you agree it's a problem. I sympathize with the average Republican who are embarrassed by the representatives of their party that make the most offensive statements. Still, I think rational representatives have to shame their peers when they make outrageous statements. I've seen more examples of these call-outs recently, but for a while there the silence was thunderous.

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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The GOP has often been called "The Party of Lincoln." It's true that the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.

    But the implication is that the party is politically aligned with how Lincoln was. Do you think that that is a true description?
    Absolutely not. The Republocrats are the party of Corporate and State Power. Nothing more.
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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Absolutely not. The Republocrats are the party of Corporate and State Power. Nothing more.
    Republocrat? What's that? Is that like a pluot? Those are amazing!

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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Republocrat? What's that? Is that like a pluot? Those are amazing!
    No, it's the single party. Republican + Democrat = Republocrat. There's no difference between the main parties, so there's no reason to address them by different names.
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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I'm glad you agree it's a problem. I sympathize with the average Republican who are embarrassed by the representatives of their party that make the most offensive statements. Still, I think rational representatives have to shame their peers when they make outrageous statements. I've seen more examples of these call-outs recently, but for a while there the silence was thunderous.
    I agree but most republicans are either afraid to condemn the idiocy of other republicans or actually support the idiocy under a kitchen sink type philosophy, hoping something sticks.
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    Re: Is it fair to call Republicans "The Party of Lincoln"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    The GOP has often been called "The Party of Lincoln." It's true that the first Republican president was Abraham Lincoln.

    But the implication is that the party is politically aligned with how Lincoln was. Do you think that that is a true description?
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