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Thread: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and why

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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    I voted "Nay".
    Reason, Obama should have been talking to Congress before he made his crossing the "line" statements.

    Its a no win situation for the US. If we strike, it could esculate out of control. If we hurt/kill private citizens it will be used against us.
    if we don't strike, people will use it against us for no action.

    In the end, I doubt no matter what we do that the people in the middle east will think any differnt about the US. It is not are war.
    As far as those who are calling for action. Where were they when S. Hussain was gassing his people in Iraq?

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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A few bombs can do some pretty significant damage to his military power. He can withstand it certainly, but it will be a significant cost.
    It will turn him into the dictator who faced up to the US and survived and thus a hero to his supporters. And other regimes may draw the lesson that they can get away with far worse and still survive.

    Besides, to really damage the sort of military power he needs to win his civil war the US would have to conduct a very long and sustained bombing campaign over Syria, killing many thousands.

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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A few bombs can do some pretty significant damage to his military power. He can withstand it certainly, but it will be a significant cost.
    Do you, for a minute, believe that if the US bombs Syrian military facitilites and weapons that the Russians won't be right there in the next few days offloading replacement weapons and much, much more in a ramped up response to US action? And when that happens, is the President and all those pushing for "saving face" going to lose face then or go all in?
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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The goal is not and should not be to remove Assad from power. The goal should be to show that using chemical weapons will cost more than you will gain from it. That is why limited strikes is appropriate, while ground troops are not to my mind.
    but you do realize I hope that once the bombing starts, not removing him from power would be seen as a political failure so if Obama goes in for a penny, he will go in for a pound. Politics always trumps strategy in politician's minds.

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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Quote Originally Posted by Artevelde View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I'm also aganst a larger interventio to remove Assad from power. But if the point of the attack is just going to be throwing a few bombs, then this will only demonstrate impotent frustration and will not at all be an unacceptable cost to Assad. It will send the message that if you use chemical weapons, the worst that can happen is that you get a slap on the wrist. That is worse than not responding militarily at all.
    A slap on the wrist . . . sanction in the eyes of the world . . . hundreds of millions of dollars of infrastructure damage . . . loss of face at one's inability to do a damned thing about it . . . it's more than a slap on the wrist.
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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Why do I suspect that all the "Conservatives" voting no, you be shouting and screaming "USA,USA...." if a Republican President were considering bombing Syria?

    As for myself....I don't support it under Obama any more than I would support it under a Bush or any other Republican.
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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    A slap on the wrist . . . sanction in the eyes of the world . . . hundreds of millions of dollars of infrastructure damage . . . loss of face at one's inability to do a damned thing about it . . . it's more than a slap on the wrist.
    I'm afraid you really have the wrong perspective on this. Infrastructure damage is the least of Assad's concerns right now (you may have noticed he's fighting a very bloody civil war) and if he survives this will be an enormous boost to his prestige, at home and around the world.

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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Because you can't tax him. Sanctions are not going to work simply because too many countries will still deal with them.
    I was being facetious.

    Precisely what is our interest in doing anything w/r to Syria? Saving Obama's face seems to be the only real goal in lobbing a few bombs onto targets that have long been moved now that we've broadcast our intentions.

    And if the world isn't going to stand by us, regardless how heinous the use of chemical weapons may be - who are we to presume the right to do it in the world's stead?

    Furthermore:
    1) Who pulled the trigger on the use of chemical weapons? We have yet to be told who did it and why. And a bunch of liberals here want us to do it - without knowing that answer to that question. Why? All I can think of is to help Obama save face.
    2) If we did bomb Assad, aren't we then helping the very people we've been fighting lo these past 12 years? How is it possible to save face given that is the practical consequence of attacking Assad, regardless our reasons?

    This is such an ill-advised action it's appalling.
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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Your vote?

    Yea.
    Nay.
    Or Obama's favorite... Not Present.

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    At the moment I'd vote no.
    This is all about Obama and covering his ass. He's looking to Republicans to save his ass. It's all political as everything is with this Amateur. First he says we can't tolerate this... then on Saturday before going golfing and everyone is expecting him to make a statement about upcoming bombings, he says he's going to Congress.

    Isn't it amazing how Obama left Kerry out to hang?

    The measures are half assed. A pin prick. Symbolic... Useless... and the problem is 100% of Obama's own making.

    Where is the coalition?

    Where is Obama's preparation after making the Red Line statement?

    Let the Arab League sort this out. We've sold them enough hi-tech equipment... we can assist with AWACs and the like.

    There is a reason to vote yea and it is because it's the US, and our credibility is on the line. But sorry, our credibility is damaged and the only thing that will restore it is having a mature adult as president, and the first opportunity for that it 2016.
    Nay.

    Let them sort it out. The Sunni radicals are fighting the Shi'ite government and there is no good that can come of us stepping between them or helping one side or the other.

    BTW, Saudi Arabia has it's own AWACS, they don't need the US, NATO, British or French ones.
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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Just wondering: is anybody going to attach an amendment authorizing the President to launch strikes against any group in Syria who is targeting Christians for abduction and murder (like certain parts of the anti-Assad-forces)? Or does that not cross a red line?

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