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Thread: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and why

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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    They do not have experience handling chemical weapons, and they did not have access to rockets or the chemical warheads that were used. The information comes from consistent reports from virtually every media and intelligence source over the past two years. The FSA has never deployed these weapons and has never possessed heavy fixed artillery. Let alone warheads capable of being fitted onto rockets, moreover according to the Guardian and intelligence reports the rockets were littered with neurotoxic material and identified by numerous sources as the delivery system. Again your scenario requires much more complexity and conspiracy. Could al-Qaeda or the FSA or some group somehow have acquired these weapons, smuggled them, and deployed them in a nefarious false flag attack? I mean anything is possible. It just isn't probable. The evidence is overwhelmingly slanted towards this being a regime unit that launched the strike. I'll restate the logical evidence:
    Since you are restating the above point I'll address with the points.

    1. The delivery method was by artillery and rocket bombardment not local detonation.
    Given that the Palestinian Authority is able to launch rockets from the Gaza Strip into Israel, all that would be required would be to launch a few shells from a few miles away to do the deed. The people who would do this would probably risk contamination to the sarin but they would be able to launch them into the area they wanted. Also they would not have to aim at a particular target but a more general area so expertise would not have to be so great. Any one who does fair at Angry Birds should do.

    As for the rockets or artillery themselves they could have been snuck in thru Jordan or perhaps Saudi Arabia did it thru their common border. I did not suggest a local detonation as such, but that it could have been released locally.


    2. It used unitary and/or binary chemical shells and warheads (as they were fixed to rockets).
    Which could have developed and sent by a third party. Or some chemical shells could have been seized by the rebel from an overrun millitary storehouse. Now that I think about it the shells could have been planted.

    3. No Syrian opposition group has ever shown that it possesses this equipment or the stockpiles of chemical weapons required for a sophisticated attack of this kind. Nor has any been known or thought to possess it.
    Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence. We have intelligence to an extent for the terror groups but that does not mean that some smaller lower profile group done the deed. Also keep in mind that this could have originally been an operation targeting Israel but Assad was considered a better target.

    4. The attack occurred in the midst of a pre-dawn government offensive into the suburbs.
    Which is a good time to do a false flag attack.


    5. The bombardment exclusively targeted opposition held areas.
    Just because different rebel groups are fighting against Assad doesn't mean that they are opposed to each other and would not take the opportunity to do something like this especially if they thought they would not get caught and could blame it on Asaud.

    So you can either believe this is a massive and sophisticated false flag attack or that somehow a regime commander released some of their stockpile for bombardment. It may have even been a rogue commander or an overzealous member of Assad's family. Regardless of why it happened it seems highly implausible that it was anything other than a regime bombardment.
    It might be a regime action, but that is circumstantial evidence but not enough evidence to target the regime when we have no dog in this fight. If a response must occur then let the international community decide if there is one needed.

    Edit: Moreover the Syrian government has not even attempted to release evidence to the contrary. France, the UK, Turkey, and the US have released intelligence findings and evidence to back up their claims while foreign media sources in Syria have confirmed local reports giving us a more accurate assessment of what occurred. Syrian efforts to delay access to the site and allow evidence to dissipate and degrade is also another piece of logical evidence to throw onto the table.
    Do you mean that they should release evidence that they did not use chemical weapons or that they chemical weapons were sneaked into the country somehow? By what method could they prove that they did not use chemical weapons? If their intelligence did not catch the import and existance of chemical weapons by one of the rebel groups, then by what standard can we demand that they prove that it was done by rebels right now.
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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I am a reluctant yea, although I do love Rand Pauls "Who wants to be the first to die for a mistake?" Classic. I think Obama botched this whole thing, but you got to back him at this point and just hope he doesn't make things even worse.
    I have to respectfully disagree. Since Obama by now has shown himself to be fubar incarnate it would be a bad decision to follow thru with an attack. It would be better to accept that Obama has egg on his face which would hopefully teach him not to make such sweeping off the cuff statements. And if the Senate decides not to approve the action it would not damage a reputation much further that it has been done so far now with respect to the international community.
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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    I vote nay. The people of the Middle East need to learn how to work through their own problems with the "Zionists" interfering. In addition, any kind of war no matter the scale, has an effect on our people. This will be viewed as another example of the US putting their nose where it doesn't belong and may lead to another 9/11 type event.
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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I vote nay. The people of the Middle East need to learn how to work through their own problems with the "Zionists" interfering. In addition, any kind of war no matter the scale, has an effect on our people. This will be viewed as another example of the US putting their nose where it doesn't belong and may lead to another 9/11 type event.
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    Re: You're The Congressman... You Make the Call on Syria (Yea... or Nay.. or...) and

    Nay for military aid, yea for humanitarian aid.
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