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    re: Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Must we blame our stupidity on our President?
    Who does he blame his stupidity on?

    Are you saying that the man isn't responsible for the decisions he makes....or doesn't make?

    Fill me in on what you meant, if you would.
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    re: Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

    In a word, no.

    Does it make America look strong? By some definitions, perhaps.
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    re: Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't think any red line has been crossed. The USA proof that Assad used gas is zilch. There is lots of proof that it was the rebels that used the gas. The war hawks and military/industrial/corporate complex and big energy will push and push Congress and Obama to get their war, but perhaps Obama feels sumpin' slippin', like being misled by his trusted intelligence services. The rebels have big budgets from their Saudi sponsors.
    You may be right about who used the gas but the point is Obama and Kerry said Syria used it so his red line has been crossed or at least he thinks it has.

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    re: Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    In a word, no.

    Does it make America look strong? By some definitions, perhaps.
    Can you flesh your opinion out a bit?

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    re: Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Can you flesh your opinion out a bit?
    Simply put, going before Congress was a political move and an appeal. The majority of Americans believe Obama should go through Congress for any action on Syria, which he is. He's trying to get congress to side with him while showing that he listens to the American people. Probably a wise move.

    Does it make America look strong? For those who believe that any military action requires congressional approval, then yes, one could argue it makes us "strong" by going through Congress.

    It matters little though. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. It's a shame that we waited so long. We should've struck when the Free Syrian Army was at its strongest.
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    re: Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Simply put, going before Congress was a political move and an appeal. The majority of Americans believe Obama should go through Congress for any action on Syria, which he is. He's trying to get congress to side with him while showing that he listens to the American people. Probably a wise move.

    Does it make America look strong? For those who believe that any military action requires congressional approval, then yes, one could argue it makes us "strong" by going through Congress.

    It matters little though. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. It's a shame that we waited so long. We should've struck when the Free Syrian Army was at its strongest.
    I'll agree we should have armed rebels when they were rebels not terrorist but on the congress thing I disagree. From the very beginning of this Obama turned his back on the US congress and instead went to NATO stating very explicitly that he did not need congressional approval. Only after NATO told him to take a hike did he suddenly have a desire to go to congress which makes him look like he is suddenly looking for an excuse to back down and somehow blame congress for his mess.

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    re: Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    If Obama looks weak and indecisive America looks weak and indecisive and Obama has advocated getting rid of most of our nukes so I wouldn't go there. Besides that being weak and indecisive is the best way I know to end up having to use those nukes.
    Getting rid of most of our nukes doesn't make a sliver of a difference. It would only take 35 nukes developed during the 1950's to destroy the face of the earth entirely. The United States owns up to 7,700 nuclear weapons, most of which are newer (and stronger) than the one tested in the 1950's. Please do not tell me that by decommissioning nukes Obama is making the United States look weak.
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    re: Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'll agree we should have armed rebels when they were rebels not terrorist but on the congress thing I disagree. From the very beginning of this Obama turned his back on the US congress and instead went to NATO stating very explicitly that he did not need congressional approval. Only after NATO told him to take a hike did he suddenly have a desire to go to congress which makes him look like he is suddenly looking for an excuse to back down and somehow blame congress for his mess.
    Quite possibly. It's a political move to be sure. Although, he doesn't need Congressional Approval.
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    re: Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    Getting rid of most of our nukes doesn't make a sliver of a difference. It would only take 35 nukes developed during the 1950's to destroy the face of the earth entirely. The United States owns up to 7,700 nuclear weapons, most of which are newer (and stronger) than the one tested in the 1950's. Please do not tell me that by decommissioning nukes Obama is making the United States look weak.
    Obama makes us look weak with things like this Syria circus. His white house looks like the Keystone cops. His wanting to decommission are nuke arsenal doesn't make us look weak, it makes us actually become weak. The best way to never have to use our nukes is for other countries that have them or want them to know we have 10 times as many. Think of it this way, if you had a single shot 22 pistol and the other guy had a Thompson submachine gun are you going to shoot at him?

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    re: Obama is making a joke of America [W:165]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Obama makes us look weak with things like this Syria circus. His white house looks like the Keystone cops. His wanting to decommission are nuke arsenal doesn't make us look weak, it makes us actually become weak. The best way to never have to use our nukes is for other countries that have them or want them to know we have 10 times as many. Think of it this way, if you had a single shot 22 pistol and the other guy had a Thompson submachine gun are you going to shoot at him?
    I don't feel that I need explain again how Obama is not making us weaker with decommissioning nukes. As for Syria, I agree, he dug himself a hole by talking big and Assad called his bluff. Now he has to come out and acknowledge what he did wrong and we need to move on. None of this "limited war" crap. Fix America before you fix the world.
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